Uppityperson, thanks for the tip about the pro-choice forum. I imagine I would've posted this there if I'd known about it. I used to hang around DU a lot a few years ago but haven't in the past several years and don't know my way around here that well any more.
Thanks also the lesson on human reproduction. I read it all through and forgot it all almost as soon as I finished reading it.
I don't have any problem with the term "knocked up" but you're the second poster who has said that here, so if it bothers some other people, that's probably a reason for me to try to resist the inclination to say that any more.
No, I wasn't saying that anti-choicers also want to control men's lives. I don't believe I even suggested that. I think you just read that into my comments. I was saying that when abortion opponents succeed in preventing an abortion, it has the effect of controlling the man's life, as well as the woman's. It has that effect, whether it's the abortion opponents' intention or not. I also didn't even imply that this poses a problem with supporting choice. I think it's clear on reading through my whole original post in its entirety that I support choice. It's clear, or it should be.
I haven't read much pro-choice materials. As I said, it's not really my issue anyway, I don't have a dog in that hunt, the issue never has had any real effect on me in my life. But I do watch a lot of liberal and progressive TV -- Free Speech TV, Rachel Maddow -- and listen to a lot of liberal and progressive talk radio, mostly what's on WCPT, I listen online, and on Sirius Satellite Radio in my car. I listen particularly to a LOT of Thom Hartmann. And I never hear anybody acknowledge that point, that abortion opponents are actually not so much about "saving babies" as they are about keeping people from having sex. When progressive talkers discuss this issue, they always talk about "a woman's right to choose" or a woman's right to reproductive freedom, never about the man's right to those same things, and never about that elephant in the room. I call Hartmann's radio show every once in a while. One of these days I'll bring up that subject on his show.
-- Ron
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