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In reply to the discussion: Mark Lane, JFK assassination expert, has died. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)46. That's what you and CIA wrote. That's not what history shows.
An example from 1991:
An Interview with Mark Lane
Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr.
November 14, 1991
EXCERPT...
Proctor: Presumably when you undertook to become "a counsel for Lee Oswald" in 1963-64, and later when you wrote Rush to Judgment, you didn't begin with the idea that the CIA had killed President Kennedy. When did you seriously begin to question (to quote your book jacket) "Was the CIA involved in the assassination of JFK?"
Mark Lane: The first book I wrote, as you know, didn't deal with who did it. It took the Warren Commission Report and compared each of the essential conclusions of the Warren Commission to the evidence which the Warren Commision said it relied upon, and demonstrated that the evidence did not support the conclusions. In addition to that, I did my own interviews, as you know, and showed that [they] even further challenged the Warren Commission conclusions, as did some of the documents. All I was trying to do with Rush to Judgment was, not show who killed the President, but in essence who did not. I was trying to demonstrate that the Warren Commission report, which was an obstacle to going forward for a full investigation, was a fraudulent document. That's all I dealt with.
I had no idea who killed the president then. I never had an idea at that time. I never speculated for a moment, either when I wrote or when I thought about it or when I talked about it. I never knew; that's all. I did know, of course, that there were powerful forces involved in covering up the facts. I didn't know then, but I know now, that the Central Intelligence Agency reviewed my book Rush to Judgment before I got a copy of it, and what they said about it, and that they thought it was dangerous and had to be stopped. I didn't know that then but I was feeling the effects of the influence of the intelligence organizations through the news media, although I never specifically was able to demonstrate at that point that it was in fact the intelligence organizations which were responsible for what was taking place.
I suppose (it was) when I first met Marita Lorenz in the mid-70s. I had known about her but I had never met her and never talked to her. I had been living in New York, but I wasn't living in New York at that time. There was a story in the New York Post which said that Frank Sturgis had been arrested because, according to her, he had threatened to kill her and her daughter. It told what her address was. I found her and I interviewed her. Everything she told me, which is in Plausible Denial, everything she has said to the jury in her deposition, everything she has said since then in the videotaped interview, has always been consistent. And so in the mid-70s, I had her position, which was that the CIA had killed President Kennedy, that she was part of the team, and she knew exactly what she was talking about. I had her statement, but there was no forum, no place to publish it.
Thereafter, when I tried the (Liberty Lobby) case, I knew I was going to call her as a witness if I could find her. That was many years later, and I was able to. I started looking around at other evidence, and then I uncovered this additional evidence, which is the heart of the Mexico City scenario where you see that Earl Warren was briefed. I found that really interesting and corroborative evidence because that alone demonstrates the CIA involvement in the assassination of President Kennedy, and how Warren was manipulated, and how the CIA was setting up Oswald in September 1963 for a crime which was not going to take place for two months. It wasn't a cover-up anymore, it was planning. That alone demonstrated CIA involvement, as did Marita Lorenz' testimony alone demonstrate CIA involvement. But taken together these two separate bodies of evidence, I think, prove conclusively what took place.
So, taking the long way of answering your question, it was in the mid-70s after talking with Marita Lorenz that I began to believe that maybe the CIA did it.
CONTINUED...
http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk91b.html
Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr.
November 14, 1991
EXCERPT...
Proctor: Presumably when you undertook to become "a counsel for Lee Oswald" in 1963-64, and later when you wrote Rush to Judgment, you didn't begin with the idea that the CIA had killed President Kennedy. When did you seriously begin to question (to quote your book jacket) "Was the CIA involved in the assassination of JFK?"
Mark Lane: The first book I wrote, as you know, didn't deal with who did it. It took the Warren Commission Report and compared each of the essential conclusions of the Warren Commission to the evidence which the Warren Commision said it relied upon, and demonstrated that the evidence did not support the conclusions. In addition to that, I did my own interviews, as you know, and showed that [they] even further challenged the Warren Commission conclusions, as did some of the documents. All I was trying to do with Rush to Judgment was, not show who killed the President, but in essence who did not. I was trying to demonstrate that the Warren Commission report, which was an obstacle to going forward for a full investigation, was a fraudulent document. That's all I dealt with.
I had no idea who killed the president then. I never had an idea at that time. I never speculated for a moment, either when I wrote or when I thought about it or when I talked about it. I never knew; that's all. I did know, of course, that there were powerful forces involved in covering up the facts. I didn't know then, but I know now, that the Central Intelligence Agency reviewed my book Rush to Judgment before I got a copy of it, and what they said about it, and that they thought it was dangerous and had to be stopped. I didn't know that then but I was feeling the effects of the influence of the intelligence organizations through the news media, although I never specifically was able to demonstrate at that point that it was in fact the intelligence organizations which were responsible for what was taking place.
I suppose (it was) when I first met Marita Lorenz in the mid-70s. I had known about her but I had never met her and never talked to her. I had been living in New York, but I wasn't living in New York at that time. There was a story in the New York Post which said that Frank Sturgis had been arrested because, according to her, he had threatened to kill her and her daughter. It told what her address was. I found her and I interviewed her. Everything she told me, which is in Plausible Denial, everything she has said to the jury in her deposition, everything she has said since then in the videotaped interview, has always been consistent. And so in the mid-70s, I had her position, which was that the CIA had killed President Kennedy, that she was part of the team, and she knew exactly what she was talking about. I had her statement, but there was no forum, no place to publish it.
Thereafter, when I tried the (Liberty Lobby) case, I knew I was going to call her as a witness if I could find her. That was many years later, and I was able to. I started looking around at other evidence, and then I uncovered this additional evidence, which is the heart of the Mexico City scenario where you see that Earl Warren was briefed. I found that really interesting and corroborative evidence because that alone demonstrates the CIA involvement in the assassination of President Kennedy, and how Warren was manipulated, and how the CIA was setting up Oswald in September 1963 for a crime which was not going to take place for two months. It wasn't a cover-up anymore, it was planning. That alone demonstrated CIA involvement, as did Marita Lorenz' testimony alone demonstrate CIA involvement. But taken together these two separate bodies of evidence, I think, prove conclusively what took place.
So, taking the long way of answering your question, it was in the mid-70s after talking with Marita Lorenz that I began to believe that maybe the CIA did it.
CONTINUED...
http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk91b.html
That sounds like someone in command of his critical faculties and the facts at hand. We've learned a lot since then, thanks to Mark Lane.
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Take a close look at his role in Jonestown. Pure batshit crazy to put it mildly.
hack89
May 2016
#47
How about the establishment documents of the CIA. It expressly prohibits operations inside the US.
Zen Democrat
May 2016
#51
George H.W. Bush should be considered a suspect, based on what he told the FBI.
Octafish
May 2016
#6
You are the most clueless CS poster on this board. Almost a parody of CS everywhere. nt
Logical
May 2016
#99
Truman criticized CIA after the assassination of JFK. Fired CIA boss Dulles demanded retraction.
Octafish
May 2016
#45
that's right-- thanks for the reminder. I heard him interviewed a few years back
Fast Walker 52
May 2016
#65
There is NO credible evidence that Oswald shot at JFK, much less killed him.
Zen Democrat
May 2016
#53
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a realist and a student of history and our times.
Zen Democrat
May 2016
#89
You compared discussing the assassination of President Kennedy to beating a dead horse.
Octafish
May 2016
#71
It's telling that the members of the Warren Commission are silent about his passing.
Kaleva
May 2016
#75
You are most welcome, JonLeibowitz! I very much appreciate that you understand and care.
Octafish
May 2016
#113
My condolences. I know from your posts, he was an important figure in your life.
MerryBlooms
May 2016
#77
I don't know. Do know the guy who did is dead by gunshot under suspicious circumstances.
Octafish
May 2016
#93
It's truly sad to see someone who dedicated his life to crackpot "theories" pass away
YoungDemCA
May 2016
#97