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Octafish

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46. That's what you and CIA wrote. That's not what history shows.
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

An example from 1991:

An Interview with Mark Lane

Dr. Grover B. Proctor, Jr.
November 14, 1991

EXCERPT...

Proctor: Presumably when you undertook to become "a counsel for Lee Oswald" in 1963-64, and later when you wrote Rush to Judgment, you didn't begin with the idea that the CIA had killed President Kennedy. When did you seriously begin to question (to quote your book jacket) "Was the CIA involved in the assassination of JFK?"

Mark Lane: The first book I wrote, as you know, didn't deal with who did it. It took the Warren Commission Report and compared each of the essential conclusions of the Warren Commission to the evidence which the Warren Commision said it relied upon, and demonstrated that the evidence did not support the conclusions. In addition to that, I did my own interviews, as you know, and showed that [they] even further challenged the Warren Commission conclusions, as did some of the documents. All I was trying to do with Rush to Judgment was, not show who killed the President, but in essence who did not. I was trying to demonstrate that the Warren Commission report, which was an obstacle to going forward for a full investigation, was a fraudulent document. That's all I dealt with.

I had no idea who killed the president then. I never had an idea at that time. I never speculated for a moment, either when I wrote or when I thought about it or when I talked about it. I never knew; that's all. I did know, of course, that there were powerful forces involved in covering up the facts. I didn't know then, but I know now, that the Central Intelligence Agency reviewed my book Rush to Judgment before I got a copy of it, and what they said about it, and that they thought it was dangerous and had to be stopped. I didn't know that then but I was feeling the effects of the influence of the intelligence organizations through the news media, although I never specifically was able to demonstrate at that point that it was in fact the intelligence organizations which were responsible for what was taking place.

I suppose (it was) when I first met Marita Lorenz in the mid-70s. I had known about her but I had never met her and never talked to her. I had been living in New York, but I wasn't living in New York at that time. There was a story in the New York Post which said that Frank Sturgis had been arrested because, according to her, he had threatened to kill her and her daughter. It told what her address was. I found her and I interviewed her. Everything she told me, which is in Plausible Denial, everything she has said to the jury in her deposition, everything she has said since then in the videotaped interview, has always been consistent. And so in the mid-70s, I had her position, which was that the CIA had killed President Kennedy, that she was part of the team, and she knew exactly what she was talking about. I had her statement, but there was no forum, no place to publish it.

Thereafter, when I tried the (Liberty Lobby) case, I knew I was going to call her as a witness if I could find her. That was many years later, and I was able to. I started looking around at other evidence, and then I uncovered this additional evidence, which is the heart of the Mexico City scenario where you see that Earl Warren was briefed. I found that really interesting and corroborative evidence because that alone demonstrates the CIA involvement in the assassination of President Kennedy, and how Warren was manipulated, and how the CIA was setting up Oswald in September 1963 for a crime which was not going to take place for two months. It wasn't a cover-up anymore, it was planning. That alone demonstrated CIA involvement, as did Marita Lorenz' testimony alone demonstrate CIA involvement. But taken together these two separate bodies of evidence, I think, prove conclusively what took place.

So, taking the long way of answering your question, it was in the mid-70s after talking with Marita Lorenz that I began to believe that maybe the CIA did it.

CONTINUED...

http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk91b.html


That sounds like someone in command of his critical faculties and the facts at hand. We've learned a lot since then, thanks to Mark Lane.

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Interesting life. His role in Jonestown is certainly eye opening. nt hack89 May 2016 #1
Mark Lane was a Social Justice Warrior before there was such a term. Octafish May 2016 #14
He was also crazy as a loon, at least in regards to his role in Jonestown. hack89 May 2016 #19
The CIA instructed its ''Media Assets'' to demonize Mark Lane in 1967. Octafish May 2016 #31
Not according to your link hack89 May 2016 #33
Links go to the document. Octafish May 2016 #39
I don't know if it it illegal or not. hack89 May 2016 #40
Yes. CIA by law was limited to overseas operations, no domestic operations. Octafish May 2016 #41
Ok. Mark Lane was still a loon however. nt hack89 May 2016 #44
That's what you and CIA wrote. That's not what history shows. Octafish May 2016 #46
Take a close look at his role in Jonestown. Pure batshit crazy to put it mildly. hack89 May 2016 #47
Please show how. Octafish May 2016 #49
Sure hack89 May 2016 #50
Doesn't seem loony, considering CIA works its magic on Wikipedia. Octafish May 2016 #56
So working with a mad man in the jungles to brainwash a bunch of people hack89 May 2016 #60
But Lane didn't do any of that, did he? Octafish May 2016 #61
ok. nt hack89 May 2016 #62
You don't know what you're talking about. milestogo May 2016 #67
He was a genuine conspiracy theory peddling nut case. hack89 May 2016 #69
Not at all. Ask Robert K. Tanenbaum. Octafish May 2016 #84
How about the establishment documents of the CIA. It expressly prohibits operations inside the US. Zen Democrat May 2016 #51
Did he die under "mysterious circumstances?" nt firebrand80 May 2016 #2
It was the BFEE, obviously. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #3
George H.W. Bush should be considered a suspect, based on what he told the FBI. Octafish May 2016 #6
TL;DR Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #7
Nothing says, ''I don't have a clue'' as your post. Octafish May 2016 #8
The BFEE made me do it. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #9
Those are FBI documents. Octafish May 2016 #11
Cool story. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #12
Learn then: JFK had to order Hoover to integrate the FBI. Octafish May 2016 #17
"Important parts of history" Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #18
I'll take Dick Gregory over Dr Hobbitstein of DU any day. Octafish May 2016 #20
We also know you love some Paul Craig Roberts. Dr Hobbitstein May 2016 #21
I've never called him a douche, if that's what you mean. Octafish May 2016 #22
Confidence in the government? rperlberg May 2016 #73
That's the Thing. Octafish May 2016 #74
So you come in here and crap in the thread...stay classy. Rex May 2016 #35
You are the most clueless CS poster on this board. Almost a parody of CS everywhere. nt Logical May 2016 #99
Personal attacks are so you, Logical. Octafish May 2016 #102
oh for god's sake... how pathetic Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #24
There are very pathetic people that post here and support the Bush family. Rex May 2016 #36
Pure unmitigated ignorance. Zen Democrat May 2016 #55
ALCOA! NuclearDem May 2016 #30
He suffered a heart attack. Octafish May 2016 #15
I Never Actually Thought RobinA May 2016 #23
With all respect, I do have a problem with the lone loser theory. Octafish May 2016 #28
I Think RobinA May 2016 #25
This I will tell you: Your life is better for Mark Lane having lived. Octafish May 2016 #94
"expert"? FLPanhandle May 2016 #4
Bertrand Russell respected Mark Lane. Octafish May 2016 #16
Damn. They finally got him. (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #5
Did you hear about Cheney and CIA Assassination cover-up? Octafish May 2016 #29
Hmmmm. Gidney N Cloyd May 2016 #10
Truman criticized CIA after the assassination of JFK. Fired CIA boss Dulles demanded retraction. Octafish May 2016 #45
RIP Mark Lane GreatGazoo May 2016 #13
very interesting yourpaljoey May 2016 #27
They couldn't out-think him, so they had to smear Mark Lane. Octafish May 2016 #70
he lived a long and important life Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #26
He did. Another important eyewitness is still with us: Abraham BOLDEN Octafish May 2016 #63
that's right-- thanks for the reminder. I heard him interviewed a few years back Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #65
His book Plausible Denial is a pretty interestin read. avebury May 2016 #32
Great book. Great case. And E. Howard Hunt was a real piece of wetwork. Octafish May 2016 #86
The funny thing about the Hunt lawsuit is that, based on Hunt's testimony, avebury May 2016 #88
Mark Lane arrives at the pearly gates Capt. Obvious May 2016 #34
Dont give up your day job HOPNOSH May 2016 #37
I thought it was pretty funny (nt) Nye Bevan May 2016 #43
LOL nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2016 #48
Now THAT is a funny joke. nt Dreamer Tatum May 2016 #58
I laughed Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #66
I see the DU children are happy he died, why are they so pathetic Octafish? Rex May 2016 #38
Their pathetic nature is due to their ignorance. Octafish May 2016 #72
Mark Lane was a kook. Archae May 2016 #42
There is NO credible evidence that Oswald shot at JFK, much less killed him. Zen Democrat May 2016 #53
I've studied the murder of JFK since I was 15 years old. Zen Democrat May 2016 #54
What do you want for your 16th birthday? nt Dreamer Tatum May 2016 #59
*snort* NuclearDem May 2016 #64
Lee Harvey Oswald killed Mark Lane!!! Fozzledick May 2016 #68
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a realist and a student of history and our times. Zen Democrat May 2016 #89
You're not very good at recognizing sarcasm though. Fozzledick May 2016 #90
Lane said the only evidence linking Oswald was CE399. Octafish May 2016 #114
Excellent summation. FTR: Gen. LeMay lied about his whereabouts. Octafish May 2016 #115
You compared discussing the assassination of President Kennedy to beating a dead horse. Octafish May 2016 #71
Here. Archae May 2016 #78
Get a copy of Barry and the Boys by Daniel Hopsicker....the story lives on. ViseGrip May 2016 #52
David Ferrie, Barry Seal and Lee Oswald: Patsies or Participants? Octafish May 2016 #105
Sorry dear O-fish….. blm May 2016 #57
Thank you for your kindness, blm. Octafish May 2016 #82
((Octafish)) blm May 2016 #83
It's telling that the members of the Warren Commission are silent about his passing. Kaleva May 2016 #75
Why honor a peddler of conspiratorial BS? YoungDemCA May 2016 #96
The commissioners all have passed. Some staff are still with us. Octafish May 2016 #108
Excellent information, Octafish, thanks for posting. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #76
You are most welcome, JonLeibowitz! I very much appreciate that you understand and care. Octafish May 2016 #113
My condolences. I know from your posts, he was an important figure in your life. MerryBlooms May 2016 #77
Thank you for your kindness, MerryBlooms. Octafish May 2016 #81
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl May 2016 #79
Here's an excellent radio interview with Mr. Lane via Project CENSORED Octafish May 2016 #92
My first memories of Mark Lane was from the 1967 interview Duppers May 2016 #80
Thank you very much, Duppers. Here's what James DiEugenio wrote last week... Octafish May 2016 #110
Wow! Thanks for posting that article link and... Duppers May 2016 #112
This sounds fishy to me. I bet he's still alive. Gomez163 May 2016 #85
Condolences to you & to his family, friends & followers - PAMod May 2016 #87
Thank you, PAMod. Please know I very much appreciate your perspectives. Octafish May 2016 #111
did he say anything about Cruz's father ? Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #91
I don't know. Do know the guy who did is dead by gunshot under suspicious circumstances. Octafish May 2016 #93
Looks like "they" got another one! YoungDemCA May 2016 #95
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, and CIA-Cuban “Deep Politics” Octafish May 2016 #100
It's truly sad to see someone who dedicated his life to crackpot "theories" pass away YoungDemCA May 2016 #97
Now THAT is asinine. Octafish May 2016 #101
I ASSUMED MURDERED!!!!!! The truth is out there!!!! nt Logical May 2016 #98
What do you know about Mark Lane? Octafish May 2016 #103
Sounds like a good man, but that does not mean he is right about jfk. Nt Logical May 2016 #104
So why do you have to insult his memory and smear his good name? Octafish May 2016 #109
Dalton Trumbo MinM May 2016 #106
Trumbo's lesson: The Right will do anything to get its way. Octafish May 2016 #107
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