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RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
84. I've seen that exact line tossed around so much it's become a parody of itself.
Fri May 13, 2016, 02:33 PM
May 2016

First - I agree that no one who declares that they will vote for Trump belongs on DU.

It's that simple.

However, that bizarre claim has got to go, at least among people who actually represent themselves as doing their own thinking.

I'm nowhere near a 'more privileged' poster. I have a substantially negative 'net worth,' due to student loan debt that I am paying off, as well as I can. However, it'll probably be a couple of decades before I pull it off, and I'm 45.

In addition, I spent 7 years of my life surviving and (as a result of getting very, very lucky) recovering from a severe, debilitating health condition. I survived exclusively, during that time, on SSDI benefits which enabled me to keep a very small room's worth of a roof over my head and not eat so poorly as to become malnourished on top of everything else.

Now I'm lucky enough to have had opportunities to build the fundamentals of a life for myself, and, maybe, before time makes the decision for me, a small family.

And I'll be damned if someone calls me a 'more privileged poster' on DU, after working harder than I ever imagined I could just to survive, then working 60-70 hour weeks for years to establish a hopeful basis of a career, or, at least, a trade, for myself.

I do understand how bad reality can get. I've seen others in the same boat as me not make it. I carry an obligation to honor those who weren't as fortunate as I was to conduct my life in the manner of an honorable, decent human being. THAT's why I back Bernie Sanders and why I won't vote for Hillary Clinton to become the President of the United States.

Of course, I won't vote for Donald-friggin'-Trump. But all of this 'more privileged' crap is bullshit. 'Yeah, you'll be fine in a Trump presidency but, oh, think of the poor Latinos and Muslims...' That's the argument of a racist using the specter of what they consider other peoples' lesser status to manipulate others into doing what they argue is the appropriate thing for a responsible 'white,' 'privileged' person.

If Donald Trump somehow instituted an utterly unconstitutional ban on Muslims traveling to the United States and pushed for a mass deportation (which would be absurd and insane, and you'd have to persuade all of the new cops who would be charged with the task that it's right) of persons whose presence in the United States is, in fact, illegal, then I'll be right there in the trenches as soon as the first raid is conducted. I've always had friends who are ethnic and religious 'minorities,' and if I need to be a 'human shield' to stand in the way of, oh, mosque raids, I'll damn well be there as soon as the scent of raids is in the air. Not that it would be something new - I'm a semi-regular presence at the only mosque in my area (I'm an atheist), and well before Donald Trump took his obscenely rotten act national there were groups of assholes stopping by to show their most sincere disrespects to people whose probable only real differences with the bastards was that they work harder and pray more often.

I don't know what your socioeconomic status or ethnic background is. I don't care about either, as I really don't care for what you have to say, and have no interest in getting to know you.

But, if you were someone targeted by an armed, racist lynch mob, I'd have your back. Maybe because I'm not 'privileged,' maybe that's got nothing to do with it. It certainly has nothing to do with my support of Bernie Sanders and grave concerns about the candidacy of Hillary Clinton, who has helped herself to whole heap of 'privilege' on a routine basis for years and years.

This is democratic underground [View all] southmost May 2016 OP
Somebody promoted Trump? HuckleB May 2016 #1
Every single day. But that ends real soon! leftofcool May 2016 #5
In GDP, I presume? HuckleB May 2016 #12
I feel the sameway about avoiding the forum; but they will move over here, after the primary Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #54
Indeed. HuckleB May 2016 #59
& they will stay here, giving code to foreign enemies, until FBI online agents arrest them... Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #144
I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. HuckleB May 2016 #175
I'm trying to scare Freepers and Trolls away from DU... Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #186
Ok, then. HuckleB May 2016 #189
I've never seen one. Please show me. I'm here quite a lot. highprincipleswork May 2016 #129
You've never seen General Discussion: Primaries? HuckleB May 2016 #176
Link please? Reter May 2016 #135
It's been happening for months. nt onehandle May 2016 #13
Yikes. HuckleB May 2016 #14
There are no Trump supporters on DU. Silver_Witch May 2016 #143
True. But there are a few right-wing infiltrators. forest444 May 2016 #172
Sounds like... Bohemianwriter May 2016 #177
All that, and more. forest444 May 2016 #181
I don't know much about these trolls... Bohemianwriter May 2016 #190
That was an inspirational read. Well said, mon ami. forest444 May 2016 #193
unfortunately yes... southmost May 2016 #39
the split jury was more unsettling southmost May 2016 #43
Oh, that wasn't the worst part... jtuck004 May 2016 #83
Interesting quotation.... xocet May 2016 #87
Google is your personal friend in such a case Hekate May 2016 #90
If you write something, do you respect your reader enough to actually provide... xocet May 2016 #101
No.But whether he said it or stole it, it's accurate.n/t jtuck004 May 2016 #94
That is why it is such a great quotation. It is very accurate. n/t xocet May 2016 #99
Following is a related quotation: may it also be accurate its context notwithstanding. xocet May 2016 #142
Crime and Punishment. Duval May 2016 #116
Here is the quotation in its context in Dostoyevsky's "The Eternal Husband"... xocet May 2016 #141
The Eternal Husband Land Shark May 2016 #156
Thanks. The "natural solution" part of the quotation is also interesting, don't you think? n/t xocet May 2016 #182
Natural solution is interesting but not really accurate Land Shark May 2016 #184
Ugh. HuckleB May 2016 #46
I've seen that exact line tossed around so much it's become a parody of itself. RiverNoord May 2016 #84
"Assumed privilege" is wielded around here too often. Beartracks May 2016 #123
Thanks for the kind words. RiverNoord May 2016 #125
Thank you for this post. And may your dreams come true. raging moderate May 2016 #171
I believe you are sincere Haveadream May 2016 #185
I agree with you to an extent. RiverNoord May 2016 #199
Well how bout that Gman May 2016 #138
Third Way has driven the Dem party so far to the right that this comes as no Zorra May 2016 #153
some trolls have thousands of posts bashing Obama, Clinton and Sanders Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #42
The astonishing, furious chaos that has become DU Hortensis May 2016 #158
Underground - meaning Anti-Establishment FreakinDJ May 2016 #2
A great number of states are controlled by Republican... yallerdawg May 2016 #15
Blame Democrats with Strong Wall St Establishment Ties FreakinDJ May 2016 #17
How do you explain 2006 when we regained control of both houses in Congress? LonePirate May 2016 #55
1998 was a Clinton impeachment backlash; 2006 was a Bush War backlash. Zen Democrat May 2016 #81
So what other sorts of backlashes outweigh the alleged Wall St. ties? LonePirate May 2016 #89
When this site was established Bush had recently been installed by the Supreme Court. pnwmom May 2016 #34
No, at times having ones head buried in the sand as in underground.. Like many hrc supporters! juxtaposed May 2016 #98
It's never seemed all that LiberalElite May 2016 #134
Who "stated a preference" for trump? BillZBubb May 2016 #3
You know-- Shadowflash May 2016 #11
That's it in a nutshell arikara May 2016 #19
There are some who are not actually Bernie supporters--just claim to be. Kingofalldems May 2016 #26
And likewise, some Clinton supporters zeemike May 2016 #60
A claim made with no evidence tkmorris May 2016 #71
There are also some who are not actually Hillary supporters--just claim to be. Autumn May 2016 #91
That one has been granted permanent immunity status and as such, can do no wrong. Hiraeth May 2016 #33
^^This. It's a meme, advanced by one side, and of course probably silvershadow May 2016 #76
no inferring...they're being bold and stating it plainly southmost May 2016 #20
Here's an example: muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #29
That's total bullshit. The first post is factual. On one issue that's the situation. BillZBubb May 2016 #32
The first was a lie, designed to make Trump look better than Hillary muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #45
In neither of those posts does the poster say he'll vote for trump in the ge Doctor_J May 2016 #108
The first one was an attempt to make Trump look better than Hillary muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #109
👍👍👍👍👍 AgadorSparticus May 2016 #174
...said no one ever. But, I agree, it is being trolled. demmiblue May 2016 #4
lots of newbie posters posting straw man OPs rurallib May 2016 #6
Yep. n/t demmiblue May 2016 #7
Lots of "newby posters" are being chased away by trolls Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #52
YUP! yuiyoshida May 2016 #70
Except 40% of Sanders voters in WV. baldguy May 2016 #69
I've been on juries for posts where it's been said. MH1 May 2016 #96
strawman much? corkhead May 2016 #8
Please provide a link. nt IdaBriggs May 2016 #9
+1 nilram May 2016 #31
link is posted southmost May 2016 #51
One link is posted. One. Kittycat May 2016 #58
actually stated they'd rather vote for trump over clinton southmost May 2016 #64
And that means everyone? How? Kittycat May 2016 #112
I can't see it (maybe because it's a sub thread and I have a lot of IdaBriggs May 2016 #62
posts stating they'd rather vote republican are not ok southmost May 2016 #65
Link? Texasgal May 2016 #10
Meta! Iggo May 2016 #16
Saying that if you pick a fight with someone stronger.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #18
Starting threads saying that Trump is going to win if you don't get your way should be bannable Democat May 2016 #22
Is 'Never Clinton' the same as supporting Trump? CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #27
Total BS billhicks76 May 2016 #44
I read that from Clinton Supporters a few months ago. Gore1FL May 2016 #86
that doesn't sound like they are supporting trump... Javaman May 2016 #92
Exactly...Some People Here Are Confused billhicks76 May 2016 #49
Shall we assume that by "Trump supporters," you mean Sanders supporters? Gene Debs May 2016 #21
Anyone who prefers Trump to either Democratic candidates is a Trump supporter Democat May 2016 #23
agreed southmost May 2016 #35
It's Hillary In The Photos With Trump billhicks76 May 2016 #38
Could you take this back to GDP, please? Scootaloo May 2016 #24
Really. Amimnoch May 2016 #56
There are NO fucking trump supporters here, get a grip ffs. onecaliberal May 2016 #25
One person't Reuters article is another's Trump supporter Capt. Obvious May 2016 #47
theyre at least 3 southmost May 2016 #53
You are not posting actual links. you are posting commentary. ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #88
Haven't you been here long enough to know that posting links and La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #170
The whole thread is actually meta if we're going to get rules-y about it. ScreamingMeemie May 2016 #183
Here is one encouraging Bernie Supporters to vote for Trump Mnpaul May 2016 #194
There are atleast 3 ppl who have stated they would vote for trump La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #169
Well this didn't go as planned, huh? closeupready May 2016 #28
LOL snort May 2016 #36
I have not seen one post promoting Trump on here. jalan48 May 2016 #30
Perhaps there are a few low information voters? StarzGuy May 2016 #40
MIRT nukes those posters ASAP if they're newbies, but they are definitely out there. Trolls. Shrike47 May 2016 #41
I haven't seen anyone promoting Trump but I have some Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #48
This thread is all hat and no cattle. Rex May 2016 #68
Underground...Don't Forget It billhicks76 May 2016 #37
Plus 3,000,000 votes. Leading Trump and Sanders. yallerdawg May 2016 #57
Stupid Analogy billhicks76 May 2016 #113
"Democratic" Don't forget that JohnnyRingo May 2016 #111
Maybe You Shouldn't Forget It billhicks76 May 2016 #114
I voted the 1st time in 1972 for McGovern JohnnyRingo May 2016 #133
The Country Moved To The Left As A Whole billhicks76 May 2016 #136
You make some good points JohnnyRingo May 2016 #139
I Voted For Bill Also billhicks76 May 2016 #140
Maybe that was a state issue JohnnyRingo May 2016 #148
Federal billhicks76 May 2016 #187
all that is window dressing compared to the corporatist AntiBank May 2016 #155
Bernie's crowds are not voting apparently. Hillary has 3 million more votes than he does. redstateblues May 2016 #131
I saw someone received a hide on another thread JustAnotherGen May 2016 #50
Today some clown blamed the 2003 Iraq war on Clinton/Gore Renew Deal May 2016 #61
right: people demanding that the stronger candidate against Trump drop out so that MisterP May 2016 #63
K & R SunSeeker May 2016 #66
I see links to people NOT saying they support Trump...so... Rex May 2016 #67
the link has a poster stating they'd rather vote for Trump southmost May 2016 #72
Here was a member from 2005, 582 posts; Skinner banned them as a 'Trump humper' muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #102
+1 lark May 2016 #73
What we need here are more Gaddafi supporters IronLionZion May 2016 #74
I made that OP and do not nor have ever been a Gadaffi supporter as PufPuf23 May 2016 #121
I'll promote Trump: chknltl May 2016 #75
May he reach perfection and be awarded HubertHeaver May 2016 #97
D. Trump has highest ranking in... chknltl May 2016 #104
So he has hit the ceiling? HubertHeaver May 2016 #106
Hear! Hear! liberal N proud May 2016 #77
I agree that post should have been hidden and it should have been unanimous. It is very simple. skylucy May 2016 #78
my thoughts exactly... southmost May 2016 #80
Thank you. When I saw that someone had replied to my post, I was afraid I skylucy May 2016 #103
same here...i usually refrain from posting southmost May 2016 #107
although define the word underground :( PatrynXX May 2016 #79
This is where were a lot of free minded people come to lend thoughts to others, or at least vent nolabels May 2016 #85
if you see someone supporting Trump you need to alert on that. I have seen no one Autumn May 2016 #82
There are damn Trump supporters posting garbage here? Duppers May 2016 #93
Yes it is, and I'll hold my Democratic values up against those supported by the Clintons throughout highprincipleswork May 2016 #95
No one is promoting Trump davidn3600 May 2016 #100
Who the fuck is supporting Trump? Odin2005 May 2016 #105
No one Doctor_J May 2016 #110
Haven't seen anyone support Trump timmymoff May 2016 #115
Sometimes bashing one Democrat or another sounds "Trumpish" but that is usually not the case. n/t pampango May 2016 #117
I haven't seen anyone here promoting Trump or expressing a preference for him . . . markpkessinger May 2016 #118
Are the primaries over? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #119
Anyone who demonstrates anything other than raging contempt for Trump is not welcome. Zynx May 2016 #120
Here you go, everyone PDittie May 2016 #122
The way I see DU today is that there is a progressive faction which is liberal, and there is a Magoo48 May 2016 #124
Often Feels Like The Clinton/Bush Alliance billhicks76 May 2016 #126
Skinner: "there are lots of people here (and not just newbies) that are puffing up Donald Trump" muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #127
seems to be getting our of hand southmost May 2016 #151
I vote to hide posts that puff Trump wildeyed May 2016 #128
that's what been getting my goat southmost May 2016 #149
I'm tired Soxfan58 May 2016 #130
I feel this election has so much at stake southmost May 2016 #150
Boy you got that statement correct, " this forum is being obviously being trolled" rhett o rick May 2016 #132
i've been a lurker of this forum since the days of its inception/joined during a fund raiser drive southmost May 2016 #146
+1000 stonecutter357 May 2016 #167
Again, nothing substantive. Not surprised rhett o rick May 2016 #188
It's Worth Noting On the Road May 2016 #137
Wait...this is Democratic Undergroud?!? U4ikLefty May 2016 #145
I know right?!? southmost May 2016 #147
I'm not a Bernie or Bust person and would NEVER vote rethuglican. Lunabell May 2016 #152
ew iamthebandfanman May 2016 #154
A lot of "Bernie Supporters" simply aren't Democrats to begin with... qdouble May 2016 #157
I do not believe that at all Skittles May 2016 #160
you don't have to believe it, but it's very evident.... qdouble May 2016 #161
I guess I have not seen that many Skittles May 2016 #162
Bernie or bust is not about spiting democrats... qdouble May 2016 #163
you're referring specifically to the Hillary Haters Skittles May 2016 #164
as I said before, there are multiple categories of "Bernie Supporters" qdouble May 2016 #166
I support Bernie and I've voted for the Democrat as far back as Jimmy Carter Rhiannon12866 May 2016 #192
Trump Supporters or Hillary Haters? Skittles May 2016 #159
Seems like those who support Trump StayFrosty May 2016 #165
I can't wait till this primary ends and some of these non dems get booted La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #168
I wouldn't support Trump Perogie May 2016 #173
I agree TrueDemVA May 2016 #178
Bull shit! bkkyosemite May 2016 #179
How many posts have you seen that advocate voting for Trump? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #180
Here you go Mnpaul May 2016 #195
Agreed. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #196
Here was an article advocating voting for Trump that was posted muriel_volestrangler May 2016 #197
The Love it or Leave It wing of the party is very active this season. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #198
Every time someone posts "transcripts"... joshcryer May 2016 #191
They should immediately be smashed with the ban hammer. Hard. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #200
Must be being trolled. We Sanders supporters are accused silvershadow May 2016 #201
This is autocratic underground. dchill May 2016 #202
On Trump btw, PATRICK May 2016 #203
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