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patrice

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10. There's a difference between intelligence or aptitude and actual developed skills.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:33 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Sun Jun 10, 2012, 12:20 AM - Edit history (1)

My guess is that the potential is still there, so I wouldn't say "dumb". But of course it isn't hard to recognize that cognitive and other skills are often missing or under-developed.

I spent 8 years teaching high school and then in my master's research found data supporting wide & consistent "grade inflation".

I don't think tv can have the effect that you are referring to all by itself. Funny you should mention though, because I have more than a few times recalled how it felt, how proud I was, when I was able to follow the plot of a tv show all of the way through. We spent most of our time outside when I was very young, so this would have to have been when I was closer to 10 when I remember retelling myself the plot of something I had seen on tv and being pleased with myself that I could do that.

What's the difference between then and now? I know that more of us read more of the time, for pleasure, than you see now. Grammar, the logic of our language, was taught AS GRAMMAR, by itself, pretty early, grade 5 or 6?. We had to memorize not just grammar rules and such, but also multiplication tables and other content. Phonetics was systematically rational. We also had to diagram tons of sentences, logic again. The point being that, jut like how practice conditions your abilities to do things such as play piano or shoot-hoops, all of this rational patterning that we did with logic and memorization patterned our thinking processes.

We also worked alone mostly. I remember figuring out how to figure out something in a grammar exercise in my homework that I didn't know the answer for, by means of a step-wise process that included extremely careful reading and re-reading and re-reading again, and going back in the book, and comparing/noticing connections between things. People are not using text-books that way much now and there's a lot of co-operative "learning" and too much emphasis placed upon learning-style, as opposed to independent work that challenges you to develop more than just your preferred mode of information processing.

Just brainstorming. I suspect these are some possible factors, but not the sole cause.

Anti-intellectualism in this country has reached critical mass. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #1
Check out the block buster moveies at you local cinema. If I want to see good movies demosincebirth Jun 2012 #2
The Avengers movie is a perfect example. Frank Cannon Jun 2012 #36
It doesn't cause the dumbing down. It's a reflection of it. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #3
It's been my observation that some time in childhood most people stop asking "Why?" all the time.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #4
Interesting...I know my hunger for answers has not died. Yes, I know where to find the answers and lookingfortruth Jun 2012 #5
Yes, some few people keep that questioning attitude for life.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #7
I wonder if part of the reason that people stop wondering so much and asking questions Quantess Jun 2012 #19
And the socially maladroit don't pick up on the cues and continue to ask questions.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #21
Do you know me? Quantess Jun 2012 #28
i was yelled at all my life for asking why. it totally bewildered me. i still don't understand why HiPointDem Jun 2012 #32
The reason so much tv is crap is that there are too many channels. dimbear Jun 2012 #6
Not exactly a new phenomenon.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #8
As an incipient geezer, I was around as well and I disagree. Television might not have Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #17
I think part of where that leads XemaSab Jun 2012 #30
Hey,dimbear! Remember this? KansDem Jun 2012 #34
I certainly do. I can remember how excited we were when our town got its second dimbear Jun 2012 #51
yup ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #9
There's a difference between intelligence or aptitude and actual developed skills. patrice Jun 2012 #10
I think TV has been dumbed down for society. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #11
Gunsmoke!!! patrice Jun 2012 #13
Yes. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #15
I'm not saying there isn't a place for sit-coms like Bewitched and munsters or Dramas like Gunsmoke lookingfortruth Jun 2012 #23
That is the main asset of some of it: you can zone out your brain, if you want to. I don't watch patrice Jun 2012 #26
You bring up Doctor Who (A favorite of mine...) and you know what's "scary" about that-- that's lookingfortruth Jun 2012 #14
Parents may have been different too, in that, like mine, though poor, they listened to opera & jazz patrice Jun 2012 #12
This is an excellent point. Thank you. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #18
Of course your post made me think of this cartoon.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #22
I'm laughing! patrice Jun 2012 #25
The mere fact that Kim Kardashian is a celebrity while having contributed *NOTHING* of value to society... Initech Jun 2012 #16
I am nearly television illiterate. What is/are she/they famous for? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #20
There will never be another Marilyn! That combination of beauty, talent, and mind patrice Jun 2012 #24
You are right. She was smart. I saw the movie Don't bother knocking and I was amazed at her lookingfortruth Jun 2012 #27
Also Bus Stop & The Misfits. She was too unusual for her time; that made her vulnerable. patrice Jun 2012 #29
I avoid such programs as much as possible. SwissTony Jun 2012 #31
Most TV.. sendero Jun 2012 #33
+1 treestar Jun 2012 #48
No offense but if you're writing about the dumbing down of American culture cali Jun 2012 #35
Please rewrite my post! I guess since I am not Grammar-PERFECT I should be shoot in the head lookingfortruth Jun 2012 #39
You mean HUGH? Harry Monroe Jun 2012 #52
It's CHEAP GeorgeGist Jun 2012 #37
The laughtrack... KansDem Jun 2012 #38
If the world was the corner Pub.... RagAss Jun 2012 #40
It's Cheap Programming... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #41
You should read some books that address this issue. First is "Four Arguments Nay Jun 2012 #42
Then PLEASE place me on ignore. Or Complain I am a Troll which ever makes you happy lookingfortruth Jun 2012 #46
No problem; just trying to explain. nt Nay Jun 2012 #50
I don't doubt from your remarks here that you're intelligent and insightful Harry Monroe Jun 2012 #53
TV in general has helped dumb down the population, MadHound Jun 2012 #43
If anything it's a symptom of a society that is already being "dumbed down". 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #44
That seems about right jade3000 Jun 2012 #47
Feels like a symptom, not a cause, to me. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #45
The Wisdom of Crowds rrneck Jun 2012 #49
Nope it the fault of them there penny dreadfuls whistler162 Jun 2012 #54
Take a look at the writing in those penny dreadfuls. REP Jun 2012 #56
Yes, most of those reality shows are definitely dumbing down society. RebelOne Jun 2012 #55
News Reporting has been dumbing down also JI7 Jun 2012 #57
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