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78. Most of us deal with LE in a respectful manner,

Sun Jul 10, 2016, 06:14 PM

Jul 2016

because we know that we can be killed at any moment and it will be ruled to be justified. How would it feel if you knew you could essentially be killed by the state and know that it would go unpunished? Why is it assumed (not necessarily by you) that we don't act in a respectful manner? More than not black people are just nervous with the interaction. When whites are nervous upon being stopped, they may fear being issued a ticket, when we're nervous we fear being shot and killed. Whenever I'm driving I'm always aware of the police. I have to be. It's like I have a sensor.

The only analogy I can make is that by being a male I'm sure there are things that I don't experience as far as safety is concerned that females do. I can go out alone anytime of day or night and not have to worry about being sexually assaulted. Not saying that it doesn't happen to guys but most guys just don't even take it into consideration, where many women do. They are more vulnerable because they are women. Being a male it's not hard to understand. It's just perplexing that a good majority of people find it hard to believe that some cops have no problem killing AA whether they're cordial or not.

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Telling black people to 'be nice to cops' to prevent being murdered is evil as hell [View all] bravenak Jul 2016 OP

That is their default response BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #1

Yup yup... time to stop the insanity. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2016 #164

Amazing indeed malaise Jul 2016 #2

That was awesome bravenak Jul 2016 #46

Scary but beautifully written malaise Jul 2016 #48

Visceral fear and one's body being constantly in "fight or flight" mode. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #179

I think everyone should be nice Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #3

+1 NobodyHere Jul 2016 #6

Yep Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #7

when your implying that they're being killed Blues Heron Jul 2016 #14

My statement does not mean I agree with Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #17

It's lost on you! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #87

It would be nice if everyone, were polite, but failing to do so shouldn't be a death sentence brush Jul 2016 #113

I am extremely courteous to police yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #112

Woooooosssshhh.... Rex Jul 2016 #15

He probably awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #27

We get killed even when we're nice, you get that right? tia uponit7771 Jul 2016 #21

Did you miss the police part? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #25

Did you miss the reality part? Being nice makes no difference, we're still killed.. NONE of that... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #47

Then I will just shut the fuck up Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #50

Then I will just shut the fuck up..... stonecutter357 Jul 2016 #181

Being nice gives you the best chance of not being killed jack_krass Jul 2016 #158

This is false, not being black gives me the best chance of not being killed. The kid in Colorado was uponit7771 Jul 2016 #187

That twelve year old kid sitting on a swing who was shot within seconds of the police Squinch Jul 2016 #203

Unfortunately he just had a realistic looking toy gun Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #205

I guess playing with a toy was not nice of him. So he had to die. Squinch Jul 2016 #208

Not a realisic looking toy gun at night Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #214

I guess they are really impolite. Squinch Jul 2016 #216

Yes, and should be in jail, like I said several times. Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #218

Because everyone forgot their niceness lessons. Squinch Jul 2016 #220

There response was inexcusable Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #223

That would seem to go quite a bit farther than any conversation about people needing to be nice. Squinch Jul 2016 #225

Yes my call to be polite Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #226

The possible situations that we are talking about, the ones this thread is about and which Squinch Jul 2016 #227

And if we could get the policing Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #228

What I said is unarguably true. I stand by it and I'll say it again: jack_krass Jul 2016 #233

This is a thread in which a black person is saying, "Don't tell black people to be polite Squinch Jul 2016 #234

Don't put words in my mouth. I'd never tell black people to jack_krass Jul 2016 #238

It's exactly what you said, in response to an OP that said not to do that. Squinch Jul 2016 #239

You don't all get killed creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #176

lofl.... yeah, that's some solace there "you don't ALL get killed"... just some hunh?... lol. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #188

Of course creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #231

Just 3.5 times more likely (by one estimate) than if they were white. nomorenomore08 Jul 2016 #209

Its easy to forget to be polite creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #232

Good examples of malaise Jul 2016 #26

A very timely observation, because... caraher Jul 2016 #52

Wishing someone a Happy New Year doesn't trivialize or minimize the Fourth of July, yes? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #184

Did you make this statement to purposely be cruel and insensitive, or are you Squinch Jul 2016 #201

Ok, everyone should not be nice Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #206

And here you are doubling down on it. Squinch Jul 2016 #207

Whatever I say would be wrong in your opinion Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #211

You could self delete the post that minimizes the seriousness of the issue of people being Squinch Jul 2016 #213

I prefer to let my posts stand for all to see Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #217

No. It was aimed at "police and citizens". None of whom are shot over "niceness." Squinch Jul 2016 #219

Whatever you say, nice to know you can read my mind Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #221

Well, no. I am reading your action. Squinch Jul 2016 #222

My words are very simple Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #224

This is a thread about the fact that telling black people to be polite to police in order not to Squinch Jul 2016 #229

Of course they should. But "rudeness" is a laughably flimy reason for shooting someone. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2016 #210

It's like requiring women to wear burqas because they are considered to be responsible tblue37 Jul 2016 #4

Oh, and K&R, of course. nt tblue37 Jul 2016 #5

Exactly. Fucking disgusting bravenak Jul 2016 #19

They aren't "losing it." brer cat Jul 2016 #51

Who are "they" Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #54

the victim blamers brer cat Jul 2016 #62

They need to check that shit bravenak Jul 2016 #93

More like freedom *from* thought, if you know what I'm saying. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2016 #212

Yes, that is closer to the truth. eom brer cat Jul 2016 #215

+1, placing the onus of someone else's violence on the oppressed uponit7771 Jul 2016 #22

My thought exactly. Those saying that AA people are being killed because of bad manners are Squinch Jul 2016 #202

Gladly recommended. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #8

Black people are experts on getting along with white folks gwheezie Jul 2016 #9

It's fucked up to know the excuses they'd make if they killed me bravenak Jul 2016 #37

Couple years back gwheezie Jul 2016 #56

More cops like that need to be fired Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #58

I remember that bravenak Jul 2016 #77

Yep! That Minnesota killer cop should never have been given a gun and badge brush Jul 2016 #117

K&R etherealtruth Jul 2016 #10

Me too bravenak Jul 2016 #43

losing my mind .... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #70

It give me the spins bravenak Jul 2016 #71

Be nice to them as they are filling you full of holes? Some folks don't live in the real world imo. Rex Jul 2016 #11

Just say no was dumb bravenak Jul 2016 #44

Seriously alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #13

Did he say 'be polite and you wont get shot'? bravenak Jul 2016 #23

OK, sorry, I did not recognize the clear thrust of your OP and took it another way. (self-deleting) Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #28

K & R sarae Jul 2016 #16

Damn right rbrnmw Jul 2016 #18

I have watched white folks scream, rant, and tear up traffic tickets and speed off bravenak Jul 2016 #20

me too rbrnmw Jul 2016 #30

You can call them a 'God dam asshole' if you are white! Rex Jul 2016 #31

Bingo!!! That's the one! bravenak Jul 2016 #35

The man could have been arrested for simple assault. He seems to be so unstable and the cop Rex Jul 2016 #40

I would have searched him for meth bravenak Jul 2016 #42

Same here, I would have had him up against the car and called in for back up. Rex Jul 2016 #45

This one is even worse uponit7771 Jul 2016 #49

If he were black he'd have had a funeral bravenak Jul 2016 #64

amen... no doubt uponit7771 Jul 2016 #67

They would have skipped the taser and gone right for their pistols. Rex Jul 2016 #72

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #74

Yeah that's egregious treestar Jul 2016 #103

+1, the discourse on M$M allows for the skipping of this low hanging fruit; that blacks have a ... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #106

He'd have been killed three times malaise Jul 2016 #60

Oh? That officer treated a black motorist differently for the same thing? Thats just wrong. cstanleytech Jul 2016 #135

The internet is chock full of videos of white gun Cosmocat Jul 2016 #125

I will never forget the Bundy Ranch stand off bravenak Jul 2016 #132

That shit burned my ass to no end Cosmocat Jul 2016 #182

If the kill rate were 80% white then the police would look much less racist... Lucky Luciano Jul 2016 #24

They will always be fascists bravenak Jul 2016 #33

Yes, it is evil and someday such advice won't be necessary cosmicone Jul 2016 #29

It gets to the point when peopke snap under centuries of oppression bravenak Jul 2016 #32

The cops in this country have been pointing weapons WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2016 #65

Anger is at the root of all violence cosmicone Jul 2016 #69

Perhaps sangfroid Jul 2016 #101

Not 'evil,' imo, but extremely foolish, elleng Jul 2016 #34

K&R stage left Jul 2016 #36

Exactly. Should'nt get away with it. bravenak Jul 2016 #39

Sadly, you can't escape racism. liberalmuse Jul 2016 #38

Makes me sick too bravenak Jul 2016 #41

What advice would you give to black people? oberliner Jul 2016 #53

I am not the OP Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #57

I agree oberliner Jul 2016 #59

Most of us deal with LE in a respectful manner, IL Lib Jul 2016 #78

Absolutely terrifying oberliner Jul 2016 #171

I think that it would be more accurate to explain what you are doing to the cop like mythology Jul 2016 #173

Set up a camera as soon as you're pulled over. Stay in its view. bettyellen Jul 2016 #81

Yes, that sounds like good advice oberliner Jul 2016 #172

Didn't help Sandra Bland because they pulled her out of frame. bettyellen Jul 2016 #192

Be loud and demand change daily bravenak Jul 2016 #68

I hate to put more people at risk, but try not to be alone. Ever. Rex Jul 2016 #82

I agree. bravenak Jul 2016 #86

It is as if we do certainly live in a police state, for a segment of the population. Rex Jul 2016 #90

Real shit bravenak Jul 2016 #92

That is clarity right there. Rex Jul 2016 #95

The filming has really been effective in getting the message out to people oberliner Jul 2016 #166

It is like when Emmet Till's mom made his funeral open casket bravenak Jul 2016 #169

Behave within your rights as citizens alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #89

That's not particularly helpful advice oberliner Jul 2016 #168

All these dead people behaved within their rights as citizens. It got them killed. Squinch Jul 2016 #235

That's the fault of the murderers alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #236

The murderees are still dead. Squinch Jul 2016 #237

K&R mcar Jul 2016 #55

dear friend of mine who fought for his country and served peace corps allan01 Jul 2016 #61

Ya think? malthaussen Jul 2016 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #66

doesn't seem like it really worked for Mr. Castile. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #73

No. It really didn't bravenak Jul 2016 #76

K&R Solly Mack Jul 2016 #75

Excellent n/t hibbing Jul 2016 #79

K&R Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #80

KnR Hekate Jul 2016 #83

"murder prevention" loyalsister Jul 2016 #84

We are always in a war zone bravenak Jul 2016 #91

Ordinary irritation is risky, too loyalsister Jul 2016 #98

People forget that they used to lynch black people back in the day with suits on. craigmatic Jul 2016 #85

They ain't forgot shit bravenak Jul 2016 #88

They also lynched them NOLALady Jul 2016 #136

Because the people who say those things IronLionZion Jul 2016 #94

Yes! Blissfully aware bravenak Jul 2016 #104

Well done, bravenak! Cha Jul 2016 #96

The "Real Problem " Blaz Jul 2016 #109

The necessity of a 21st. Century Montgomery Bus Boycott Blaz Jul 2016 #130

Jeebus, are you race nagging again? msanthrope Jul 2016 #97

You just made me laugh super loud bravenak Jul 2016 #102

^^^ THIS Uponthegears Jul 2016 #99

Agree too many white people treestar Jul 2016 #100

I was told by my father when i was 15 how to interact with the police. Calista241 Jul 2016 #105

That has nothing to do with blaming blacks for their own death because they were rude bravenak Jul 2016 #107

same here Skittles Jul 2016 #123

For certain values of evil The Second Stone Jul 2016 #108

Seriously bravenak Jul 2016 #110

Hey, I'm agreeing with you completely. Well, except the The Second Stone Jul 2016 #111

It is analogous to telling women not to drink to avoid rape Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #114

Exactly bravenak Jul 2016 #115

...is like telling rape victims how not to get raped. (n/t) Iggo Jul 2016 #116

Makes me want to vomit bravenak Jul 2016 #119

quite succinct, to the point heaven05 Jul 2016 #118

It's ridiculous gollygee Jul 2016 #120

Yep bravenak Jul 2016 #121

I am always nice to armed people Skittles Jul 2016 #122

Me too bravenak Jul 2016 #129

Truth be told... yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #124

They need to start weeding the bad ones out. bravenak Jul 2016 #128

yup,sis.. yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #131

Is it "evil" for black parents to warn their children about racist, trigger-happy cops? Nye Bevan Jul 2016 #126

We don't tell our kids that it will actually prevent them being killed bravenak Jul 2016 #127

you can't win with bigots. anti-semites fault the jews for not resisting enough in the holocaust. unblock Jul 2016 #133

Pretty much bravenak Jul 2016 #134

I agree with you on all counts, what I would add is that GitRDun Jul 2016 #137

I loved that article bravenak Jul 2016 #141

A friend of mine is a rabbi, I sent the article to her. GitRDun Jul 2016 #151

Its mainly the vehicle, not the race ErikJ Jul 2016 #138

Vehicle for you; our color for us bravenak Jul 2016 #139

Get a minivan then. Benzes are suspect too. ErikJ Jul 2016 #142

Black people now have to only drive minivans to get to live. Thanks. bravenak Jul 2016 #144

LOL. Just sayin. Nothing more innocent than a soccer mom van ErikJ Jul 2016 #148

I guess we should dress a certain way too bravenak Jul 2016 #154

OMG of course that's the answer!! gollygee Jul 2016 #155

Or at least be like Carlton Banks bravenak Jul 2016 #157

In trouble either way gollygee Jul 2016 #143

They told me to just get a minivan bravenak Jul 2016 #146

Yes, I'm sure that will solve the problem gollygee Jul 2016 #149

Of course it will. Worked for him and he's white! So he knows... bravenak Jul 2016 #150

My husband fixes cars for a hobby gollygee Jul 2016 #140

Old windowless vans are suspect. Some call them rape vans. ErikJ Jul 2016 #145

This is almost funny bravenak Jul 2016 #147

LOL. Sad but true. ErikJ Jul 2016 #152

Saddest part is the truth in it bravenak Jul 2016 #156

. gollygee Jul 2016 #162

I forgot about that one bravenak Jul 2016 #163

Yes. gollygee Jul 2016 #165

Actually no that is bad analogy zz-la Jul 2016 #204

Well we were talking about pull-overs by cops. ErikJ Jul 2016 #230

Being courteous, calm, and docile when pulled over by police jack_krass Jul 2016 #153

Did not work for Philando Castlie now did it? bravenak Jul 2016 #159

Nothing in life is absolute. Best to play the odds, as to your other point, jack_krass Jul 2016 #161

You are right bravenak Jul 2016 #167

Oh, and maybe most importantly: stop making it illegal to posses certain substances jack_krass Jul 2016 #175

I totally agree. k8conant Jul 2016 #160

Everytime this kinda stuff happens they act like police are the minority group that gets oppressed bravenak Jul 2016 #170

K&R sheshe2 Jul 2016 #174

Because police officers should always be treated as if they're unpredicatble, dangerous animals. baldguy Jul 2016 #177

You don't see the irony in this post? Nt gollygee Jul 2016 #190

Yes, I do. baldguy Jul 2016 #196

When white people advise African American people to be "polite" towards cops, for me Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #178

Just one of the reasons why I enjoy reading your posts. Bohunk68 Jul 2016 #180

I imagine that what they're really saying is "placate the cops' racism" Orrex Jul 2016 #183

Its like being asked to tip the doorman at the ovens in Auschwitz. marble falls Jul 2016 #185

K&R ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #186

I like the "rape" analogy ... Dr Rise Jul 2016 #189

Like telling women "not to turn a rapist on." (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #191

Tamir Rice wasn't being rude. wryter2000 Jul 2016 #193

Absolutely bravenak Jul 2016 #198

Excellent point! lark Jul 2016 #194

God yes! No murder!! bravenak Jul 2016 #200

Agreed. geardaddy Jul 2016 #195

It's the equivalent of telling women to just give in to rapists AnnieBW Jul 2016 #197

I hate that shit bravenak Jul 2016 #199