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Ken Burch

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66. What you don't seem to realize, though, is that in a lot of communities

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 01:21 AM

Jul 2016

the cops will pull you over(especially if you're a POC)even if you've done nothing wrong at all. Philandro Castile didn't HAVE a broken taillight, yet the cops pulled him over and then shot him just for reaching for his ID, THEN kept holding a gun on him and his girlfriend and his small daughter(despite the fact that he was clearly physically incapable of being a threat) rather then lowering their guns and driving the poor guy to a hospital before he bled to death.

It's not as simple as "don't do bad things". If you're young, black, and male, the cops will kill you even if you've done nothing. Just like the Tsarist police did to your ancestors in the Pale.

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Do YOU support the ten-point Black Lives Matter Manifesto? [View all] Ken Burch Jul 2016 OP

#9 will never happen with attacks like Dallas happening. BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #1

In Dallas, the cops HAD military equipment. It didn't help. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #9

They will never give it up after those types of attacks. BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #11

This could be implemented over a period of time. peace13 Jul 2016 #15

Yes, HRC should come out in support of the manifesto ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #2

I agree bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #17

I think it's great, though I'm not 100% sure what "community oversight" means... arcane1 Jul 2016 #3

I was wondering the same thing. How does communitu Exilednight Jul 2016 #41

It's a spectrum I suppose... TipTok Jul 2016 #65

All but #5. If the population make up shifts, who do we fire? Quotas in hiring unconstitutional. Shrike47 Jul 2016 #4

I don't think they mean it quite that literally La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #7

If they don't say what they mean, then how do you know what they mean? Igel Jul 2016 #56

read the language, there is no way this implies exact numbers La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #78

I can see that being changed to have officers live in the communities they serve arcane1 Jul 2016 #10

How are you going to require police to live in the communities they serve? TeddyR Jul 2016 #79

Clearly it would require changing or creating laws arcane1 Jul 2016 #82

I support their goals and their strategy La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #5

At the time of the freedom movement, a lot of the old line AA leadership opposed civil disobedience Ken Burch Jul 2016 #13

Yup. More recently people mocked and belittled gay rights activists La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #14

And look at how much grief Occupy got, even from a lot of "progressives". Ken Burch Jul 2016 #24

RIGHT!! totes forgot about them, but you are so right La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #37

Sounds very reasonable to me. kentuck Jul 2016 #6

Interesting. peace13 Jul 2016 #8

Good for a start... Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #12

And what would you add after that? Ken Burch Jul 2016 #16

End asset forfeiture, and end the drug war. baldguy Jul 2016 #71

Good ones. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #72

Wouldn't that fall under #8? NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #81

Prison reform Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #74

I would also like to see something UnFettered Jul 2016 #18

Add in a BA minimum then yes. The reason? JanMichael Jul 2016 #19

And a professional licensing board Nevernose Jul 2016 #21

The NAACP sued to remove the 4 year requirement from New Jersey Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #23

While I understand why they did that I don't think it helps. JanMichael Jul 2016 #25

The naacp and the courts were right La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #30

No. It has no predictive validity to performing the job La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #26

So I guess that linked study on cop violence means nothing? JanMichael Jul 2016 #73

Not number 5 Quackers Jul 2016 #20

Hmmm, why do you think what we have right now isn't segregating us already? thx in advance for your uponit7771 Jul 2016 #33

right now my local PD has several AA officers. Quackers Jul 2016 #38

Most are OK, except #1 Albertoo Jul 2016 #22

No, it really wasn't. At all. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #27

Yes it did. Please refer to graph in #49 Albertoo Jul 2016 #50

A correlation is not a causation. Once you account for multiple other variables La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #52

True, but causation can produce correlation Albertoo Jul 2016 #54

Actually it's patently false. Just because I smoke weed doesn't La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #62

Here is a study published in 'Science' that validated 'broken window' Albertoo Jul 2016 #69

Do you have a source on that? It seems like crime came down altogether uponit7771 Jul 2016 #34

Just look at the graph, NYC criminality went from over to below average Albertoo Jul 2016 #49

mixed results AntiBank Jul 2016 #39

And that is the winning answer. Igel Jul 2016 #58

That's why we have multifactor analysis Albertoo Jul 2016 #61

It ends up leading to relentless police harassment of everyone in a community Ken Burch Jul 2016 #48

Nothing but ugliness came of "broken windows"? Albertoo Jul 2016 #51

You've established corrrelation, not causation. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #57

And it's not a theory as much as a hypothesis that police La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #63

There has to be a little wiggle room on the racial makeup quota Warpy Jul 2016 #28

lol... you're so right, I always wondered why the cops seemed like they hated me an my friends in.. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #35

I agree with everything but #9 Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #29

+1, on its face it seems pretty reasonable and achievable ... number 6 and number 10 are hard ones uponit7771 Jul 2016 #31

Support everything but number five; why are we calling out race as the only differing characteristic MadDAsHell Jul 2016 #32

Believe it or not America is one of the most racially tolerant countries in the world (link) uponit7771 Jul 2016 #40

A KKK "go fundie" for Wilson? What were they gonna FUND? A tailored white sheet? Ken Burch Jul 2016 #43

Always ask for more than you expect. GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #36

Absolutely. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #46

Here's one I would add: stop using fines as a source of revenue. Exilednight Jul 2016 #42

That's good. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #45

That leaves few choices. Igel Jul 2016 #59

What you don't seem to realize, though, is that in a lot of communities Ken Burch Jul 2016 #66

God yes. Iggo Jul 2016 #44

Does anyone have a problem with the word, "Manifesto"? kentuck Jul 2016 #47

I have a question on 5 Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #53

4 is worthless unless both sides agree in advance to publicly support the investigation results (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #55

No problem with police using military equipment jamese777 Jul 2016 #60

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #64

If anything, I would say more things are needed. But that manifesto is a great start. DemocraticWing Jul 2016 #67

Down the line TipTok Jul 2016 #68

Most is good, but like all things the details matter Lee-Lee Jul 2016 #70

I am not terribly impressed with this, but I like some of it. Vattel Jul 2016 #75

Support most of them but I doubt #2 and #4 would hold up in courts. modem77 Jul 2016 #76

Could you explain #1 more..I don't quite understand what you mean Evergreen Emerald Jul 2016 #77

As some who was arrested and prosecuted for 'breaking a window' 4139 Jul 2016 #80

Community control of police, like the real Black Panthers wanted. rec, nt. Mc Mike Jul 2016 #83