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54. City buses have both doors on the same side.

Reply to Straw Man (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 20, 2016, 05:05 PM

Jul 2016

Very easy for two cops to monitor the doors.

The situation could've been deescalated.

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Police officer executes Hispanic man during struggle over gun [Graphic] [View all] WhisCo Jul 2016 OP

I only watched it once but it was chaos. JanMichael Jul 2016 #1

Awful...I can't bring myself to watch. sarae Jul 2016 #2

He attacked a police officer TeddyR Jul 2016 #3

Agreed. 840high Jul 2016 #24

richard poplawski shot the first cop he saw Fred Drum Jul 2016 #31

agreed ? Fred Drum Jul 2016 #32

as I see it she instigated the struggle. larkrake Jul 2016 #110

How? Straw Man Jul 2016 #117

Maybe they could not come in pointing guns at the crazy man. Take some time instead. uppityperson Jul 2016 #4

They were trying to protect the bus driver who was stuck inside with that nut. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #7

Maybe approach him without guns drawn, take some time instead uppityperson Jul 2016 #9

What about the bus driver? No use saving the driver????? yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #14

Don't try to put words in my mouth. Waving guns was dangerous for the bus driver too. uppityperson Jul 2016 #15

Ok. I wasn't trying to. Sorry. It may have been poorly written and executed. yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #17

Odd that you're only able to perceive two and only two possibilities. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #46

Come on, we saw the video. The bus driver was pretty big . . . brush Jul 2016 #51

Uh huh... TipTok Jul 2016 #78

he was not stuck, the person was not blocking him larkrake Jul 2016 #112

If there was ever a time for lethal force, that was probably it. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #5

I don't think I'd call this an execution Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #6

He shouldn't have gone for her gun... Throd Jul 2016 #8

Why is it always they reach for their gun first? brush Jul 2016 #10

Thank you. I am glad someone else sees that too. uppityperson Jul 2016 #16

Yes, many of us, even on this progressive site, need to reassess how we view police actions. brush Jul 2016 #22

How did the cops know everyone else was off the bus? ohnoyoudidnt Jul 2016 #70

It's obvious after watching the video Abq_Sarah Jul 2016 #132

Executes? Just a nut who tried to steal the officer's gun. Oneironaut Jul 2016 #11

I think the officers could use a bit more training Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #12

the male cop had no choice larkrake Jul 2016 #114

The guy was wrestling for the cop's gun, but... AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #13

We must be watching different videos. Straw Man Jul 2016 #26

He 'only' fired seven rounds? AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #30

Yes. Straw Man Jul 2016 #33

One shot was not enough... TipTok Jul 2016 #79

IF a cop has to fire their service weapon, the intent is to kill. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #83

The supposed intent is to stop the suspect AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #84

LETHAL Force is called that for a reason. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #86

That is what it is called afterward AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #87

You are wrong. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #88

No, it's always called "lethal force" or "deadly force" ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #89

he had his hand on her gun. an accidental fire was a good possibility, the cop larkrake Jul 2016 #109

I heard about this from the man's niece Saturday caraher Jul 2016 #18

Dont grab a cops gun. Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #64

One shot is to the point of death. mwrguy Jul 2016 #65

It is "shoot to stop". n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #68

it's all considered deadly foroce mwrguy Jul 2016 #69

Do not want to get shot? Do not grab a cop's gun. jmg257 Jul 2016 #19

Local report sarisataka Jul 2016 #20

That cop quite probably saved the lives of his partner and the driver. cigsandcoffee Jul 2016 #21

Whoa! Look at it from a different perspective. That guy didn't have to die. brush Jul 2016 #23

Let me get this straight. Straw Man Jul 2016 #28

What are they, dunces? They can't figure out how to surround a bus? That takes the cake brush Jul 2016 #34

The cake. Straw Man Jul 2016 #43

Ok, we get it. You're all for killing instead of trying to de-escalate. brush Jul 2016 #50

Seems like a clear personal attack you made, brush. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #53

no he didnt larkrake Jul 2016 #122

Oh. I forgot. The topic is Gunz. All's well. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #144

No. You're wrong. Straw Man Jul 2016 #56

With a hostage. annavictorious Jul 2016 #126

Here's a link for you uppityperson Jul 2016 #40

Thank you. Straw Man Jul 2016 #44

City buses have both doors on the same side. brush Jul 2016 #54

City buses also have emergency exits and many windows. Straw Man Jul 2016 #58

Come on, we saw the video. That driver was much bigger and was not . . . brush Jul 2016 #59

Doubling down on wrong? Straw Man Jul 2016 #62

I disagree. Situation could have been deescalated without a killing. brush Jul 2016 #66

After the gun was grabbed? No. Straw Man Jul 2016 #72

My whole point was the guns didn't even have to be out brush Jul 2016 #73

And again, you're wrong. Straw Man Jul 2016 #74

And I think you're wrong brush Jul 2016 #90

You're entitled to your opinion. Straw Man Jul 2016 #99

Maybe try asking the bus driver to get off, then question him as to . . . brush Jul 2016 #100

Then you should offer your services, without fee or charge, oneshooter Jul 2016 #104

Guess you didn't watch the video. There was no armed suspect. brush Jul 2016 #113

By law when he picked up the fire extinguisher and threatened the officer oneshooter Jul 2016 #115

What makes you think they could have done that ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #116

Did you watch the video? Who's talking about a conversation with the driver? brush Jul 2016 #125

You are. Straw Man Jul 2016 #133

Sorry, rushing onto that bus with her gun out was the dumbest thing . . . brush Jul 2016 #134

And what is the depth of experience from which you speak? Straw Man Jul 2016 #135

I'll ask you the same thing. What's the depth of yours? brush Jul 2016 #136

Is that an answer? Straw Man Jul 2016 #137

Ok, with all the killings of people of color that are now evident because of the proliferation . . . brush Jul 2016 #138

I asked you about experience. Straw Man Jul 2016 #139

And you have some friends who are cops brush Jul 2016 #140

And I've heard their personal experiences. Straw Man Jul 2016 #141

It's not anybody's job... let alone a bus driver... TipTok Jul 2016 #80

Coulda , Shoulda is b.s.. kacekwl Jul 2016 #96

Explain to me how two cops can "surround" a bus MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #142

hard to argue against this shooting Angel Martin Jul 2016 #25

A tragedy from every angle. PdxSean Jul 2016 #27

Watch again. Straw Man Jul 2016 #29

I watched it again. PdxSean Jul 2016 #48

OK. Straw Man Jul 2016 #49

Yep, the first cop hesitated when he lunged. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #85

I don't think that male police officer had much of a choice. avebury Jul 2016 #35

That's easy to Monday morning QB after the fact Lee-Lee Jul 2016 #36

Had she ordered the bus driver off of the bus avebury Jul 2016 #37

how would she know there were not others still on the bus - sure, some left DrDan Jul 2016 #47

Your Statement Jim Beard Jul 2016 #76

She should have noticed that the only avebury Jul 2016 #91

Many people on this board need to run through a course of oneshooter Jul 2016 #39

Agreed , I took one and was very enlightened. kacekwl Jul 2016 #97

There seems to be a vocal minority that believes oneshooter Jul 2016 #103

Execution? Hardly. Captain Stern Jul 2016 #38

Question: What do you think this man was going to do with the gun once he had it? grossproffit Jul 2016 #41

and if had got the gun? Demonaut Jul 2016 #42

"executes"???? really? DrDan Jul 2016 #45

I agree. annavictorious Jul 2016 #127

Using the term "executes" for this situation may well constitute libel. (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #52

Going for an officer's gun is likely lead to self-defense in extremis. It did. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #55

No one was executed. You should edit the title of your post. Vattel Jul 2016 #57

This was a "good shoot" and not an execution. Calista241 Jul 2016 #60

you can't fault the cop for that one. n/t. okieinpain Jul 2016 #61

yeh, I do. she should have told the driver to get off, then she and her partner scope the situation larkrake Jul 2016 #111

Not knowing what an erratic, violent man was doing inside ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #118

violent? he didnt touch anyone until she drew on him larkrake Jul 2016 #121

I suppose he grabbed the fire extinguisher ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #123

No, he didnt use it, he was amped for sure larkrake Jul 2016 #124

True, lady cop did screw up. N/t. okieinpain Jul 2016 #119

Executes??!!! what an inappropriate description. nt clarice Jul 2016 #63

Bullshit inflammatory headline. tritsofme Jul 2016 #67

It's easy to say "negotiate" when you're not in the cop's position. romanic Jul 2016 #71

Welcome to DU KMOD Jul 2016 #75

The officer should have used kung fu just like in the movies. RandySF Jul 2016 #77

That's cultural appropriation. Dr. Strange Jul 2016 #120

Similar to Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin cases. nm mr_liberal Jul 2016 #81

Yes, except totally different in every way Orrex Jul 2016 #93

only similarity is someone is dead, he brought it on himself when he grabbed her gun Demonaut Jul 2016 #95

They all did mr_liberal Jul 2016 #98

Cops did the right thing. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #82

Not an execution. The first cop was too close to draw down on the bad guy with one hand. Skeeter Barnes Jul 2016 #92

Watch the light. geek_sabre Jul 2016 #94

she should not have pulled her gun right off the bat. Where are the tazers? larkrake Jul 2016 #101

How was she supposed to get close enough to him to taze? WillowTree Jul 2016 #106

Taser guns have a range of 15-25 ft. If she was close enough he could grab her pistol... GummyBearz Jul 2016 #107

on a bus, thats easy larkrake Jul 2016 #108

My son is NYPD annavictorious Jul 2016 #130

Looks like a justified shoot? "Execution" hardly describes this. Lil Missy Jul 2016 #102

There is one thing we must do is make or complaints credible. Jim Beard Jul 2016 #105

Lots of folks who here are making suggestions for de-escalation annavictorious Jul 2016 #128

If someone has a gun and you shoot you shoot to kill there are no doc03 Jul 2016 #129

This incident falls into the "reckless escalation" category. aikoaiko Jul 2016 #131

Shoot the hostage. Take him out of the equation. Orrex Jul 2016 #143