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UTUSN

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10. Dear respected DUer: Allow me to dissent. If the "evil dictator" is too simple, at least
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 12:18 PM
Nov 2016

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let that concept to sit there a long long while and be fully absorbed without skipping over it and blocking it out and making all the allowances. And those of us who are not Cubans, not 1stGenExiles/CIA, are also not Saintlier-than-him-or-thou, can be repulsed by the oppression. Moving the camera angle back from the close-ups on the killings, torture, homophobia, and all the rest is the panoramic picture of the Cuban people kept in stifling oppression while this fellow pretended to be doing it all for them while living the highest of lives with billions stashed away.

I know we can't convert each other, and I'm certainly not a scholar about the history, so no discussion is possible here, but just wanted to say what I think, which the Cubans in Cuba can't do for themselves.

Agree get the red out Nov 2016 #1
I agree! I am very conflicted Fichefinder Nov 2016 #2
Can the US "send" it's doctors somewhere? hughee99 Nov 2016 #4
The U.S. sends them to a decade or more of deep debt lostnfound Nov 2016 #5
I completely agree. hughee99 Nov 2016 #6
My Danish brother in law spend five years in Greenland as malaise Nov 2016 #19
That sounds like a fair deal. Some of the Cuban doctors don't seem to like their deal as much. hughee99 Nov 2016 #20
Another source is to read Jose Marti's book guillaumeb Nov 2016 #3
Right. He imprisoned gays because of American imperialism. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #7
Yeah melman Nov 2016 #22
You should provide your source to that charge, shouldn't you? Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #41
Good grief. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #53
I know we tried but we should have tried harder to co-opt him. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #8
Nixon(as vice president)basically sabotaged any chance of that. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #16
1 flamingdem Nov 2016 #46
Lin-Manuel Miranda should write a musical about that, come to think of it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #48
As I've been writing here - it's not just the last 60 years flamingdem Nov 2016 #49
I agree with all that you posted there. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #50
Ironically it may be pressure from Putin that saves Cuba flamingdem Nov 2016 #51
fuck Castro, he was a racist, homophobic, sexist, murderous goon Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #9
Dear respected DUer: Allow me to dissent. If the "evil dictator" is too simple, at least UTUSN Nov 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author randome Nov 2016 #12
Fine. It still goes without saying that, if the revolution, with its flaws, had been overthrown Ken Burch Nov 2016 #21
Yep. Not like he was Dick Cheney. Iggo Nov 2016 #11
Was Roosevelt a great President? Many of Asian ethnicity would say 'No'. randome Nov 2016 #13
about a year before Obamas new Cuba policy, russia was going to start oil drilling Sunlei Nov 2016 #14
You should've stopped here nini Nov 2016 #15
Excellent post malaise Nov 2016 #17
Sorry but it as simple as he was an evil dictator. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #18
The people who want him out don't want anything better for Cuba. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #23
Really? The people who want him out don't want anything better for Cuba? hrmjustin Nov 2016 #24
They want "elections"...which, by themselves, aren't anything. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #25
If they want socialism, communism, or capitalism it should be up to the people who live there throug hrmjustin Nov 2016 #26
They could only be free and fair... Ken Burch Nov 2016 #28
There will only be fair and free elections when the current dictator allows them. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #30
If they hated him, hated socialism, hated communism, he'd have been gone years ago Warpy Nov 2016 #32
If this is true let there be free and fair elections! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #33
You mean like these? Warpy Nov 2016 #34
You think these elections were fair? hrmjustin Nov 2016 #37
At least as fair as ours are. Warpy Nov 2016 #38
Clearly we disagree. Have a good evening! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #39
Isn't amazing that the free and fair Cuban elections keep the Castro bros. in power for 50 years? brooklynite Nov 2016 #42
That assumes the ruling capitalists will not resort to violence. rug Nov 2016 #55
Yes that is a fair point. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #56
I am having a hard time with this jargon hfojvt Nov 2016 #40
OK...what you need to do, white heterosexuality aside... Ken Burch Nov 2016 #52
you seem not to have noticed hfojvt Nov 2016 #59
I was going on your statement that you hadn't read Latin American history. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #61
Ok. Castro was a dictator. TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2016 #27
It's not that simple. And "Fixed it" is a right-wing meme. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #29
Fixed it is a right wing meme? hrmjustin Nov 2016 #31
In my experience, yes. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #45
"Fixed it" is a right wing meme? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2016 #36
It's something I usually see Trump trolls(We could call them "Trumplestiltskins") Ken Burch Nov 2016 #44
I see it on Facebook TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2016 #54
It's a way of saying "your opinion is not worthy of any respect-and you didn't even mean it". Ken Burch Nov 2016 #58
I stopped at "right-wing coup in Venezuela" Blue_Tires Nov 2016 #35
Why not consider staying on topic? This is not an invitation to take a kick at all leftists. Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #43
The masks come off when it comes to Fidel! flamingdem Nov 2016 #47
They turned Miami into what the FBI termed "America's Murder Capital" at one time. Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #60
totalitarianism in the name of the left is still totalitarianism Blue_Tires Dec 2016 #62
We are very selective in the dictators we condemn. alarimer Nov 2016 #57
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