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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
45. In my experience, yes.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:56 AM
Nov 2016

Most of the time, I've seen it used to mock and silence anti-Trump voices online...usually by the sorts who call people "special snowflakes" and who say shit like "suck it up, buttercup!".

And I didn't say anything in that sentence that deserved to be called bullshit.

I was involved in Amnesty International at one point and took part in urgent actions in support of Cuban dissidents. I opposed Castro's treatment of gays(although, in fairness, he came around on that a lot faster than the US government did in the same era).

It's just that any time human rights issues got tied into the Cold War(let's face it-the ONLY reason the US ever criticized Cuba on human rights was that it was allied, on fairly legitimate defensive grounds, with the Soviet Union-especially after we launched a completely unprovoked and unjustified invasion against them in 1961-and because their economy was socialist. If they had been capitalist and "pro-American", no one in this country would ever have questioned anything they'd have done to suppress dissent, and we all know it) any sincere concern about anyone being oppressed vanished. It all turned into sanctimonious "Darkness At Noon" melodrama-about points-scoring in a pointless "conflict"-and none of it actually freed anybody. Other than Solzhenitsyn-and he then used his freedom to do nothing but denounce democracy, lash out at Jewsm and support Vladimir Putin and his campaign to create a Pan-Slavic Orthodox empire.

Even worse, the "freedom and democracy" that came to Eastern Europe brought nothing but massive inequality, crushing poverty and the rebirth of antisemitic right-wing "Christian" nationalism. Other than in the Czech Republic, nothing progressive or positive happened in the lands of "ex-communism" at all. Property rights never brought freedom in any real sense. Poland and Hungary are now permanently fascist, the all-but-fascist AfD is surging in support in unified Germany, and all that can ever happen anywhere in that region is greater bigotry and more virulent nationalism. All other possibilities there are dead.

That's the only thing that can ever happen in Cuba if we keep insisting on "defeating communism" there. Our leaders will makre sure no good possibilities are allowed there, just as they did in Eastern Europe after 1989.

I don't mourn the pre-1989 regimes, but we certainly turned out to be totally wrong in the belief that NOTHING could ever be worse than "godless communism". We should have regarded Marxist-Leninism as simply another bad system. We of "the West" should never have put "defeating the 'Red Menace'" above anything and everything else in life-and we should never have made it not only a war against Marxist-Leninism but against ANY alternative to capitalism at all.

We could learn from this.

We could renounce the whole practice of forcing austerity on the world in exchange for loans and debt restructuring. We could put pressure on the lending agencies NOT to demand layoffs, wage cuts, benefit cuts, cuts in social spending and tax cuts for corporations in exchange for assistance. We could apologize to everyone in Eastern Europe that we immiserated through "shock therapy" and to Mikhail Gorbachev for humiliating him and discrediting his government in repayment for his agreeing to do everything we ever asked of him. We could agree that we would never do to Cuba what we did to Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.

But our leaders will never do that.

They don't want to create a just and stable world. They just want to be able to say "We Won! We Won!"

And they don't care how much worse that insistence makes the world, how much instability and war that insistence on "winning" causes, how many future wars it causes, how many jihadis and Putins it creates.

Our leaders all have a chronic case of what "Vince Lombardi Syndrome"-the primary symptom of which is the belief that "winning isn't everything-it's the ONLY thing".

And it will always end up leaving us with "Fourth down and Vietnam".


Agree get the red out Nov 2016 #1
I agree! I am very conflicted Fichefinder Nov 2016 #2
Can the US "send" it's doctors somewhere? hughee99 Nov 2016 #4
The U.S. sends them to a decade or more of deep debt lostnfound Nov 2016 #5
I completely agree. hughee99 Nov 2016 #6
My Danish brother in law spend five years in Greenland as malaise Nov 2016 #19
That sounds like a fair deal. Some of the Cuban doctors don't seem to like their deal as much. hughee99 Nov 2016 #20
Another source is to read Jose Marti's book guillaumeb Nov 2016 #3
Right. He imprisoned gays because of American imperialism. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #7
Yeah melman Nov 2016 #22
You should provide your source to that charge, shouldn't you? Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #41
Good grief. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2016 #53
I know we tried but we should have tried harder to co-opt him. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 #8
Nixon(as vice president)basically sabotaged any chance of that. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #16
1 flamingdem Nov 2016 #46
Lin-Manuel Miranda should write a musical about that, come to think of it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #48
As I've been writing here - it's not just the last 60 years flamingdem Nov 2016 #49
I agree with all that you posted there. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #50
Ironically it may be pressure from Putin that saves Cuba flamingdem Nov 2016 #51
fuck Castro, he was a racist, homophobic, sexist, murderous goon Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #9
Dear respected DUer: Allow me to dissent. If the "evil dictator" is too simple, at least UTUSN Nov 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author randome Nov 2016 #12
Fine. It still goes without saying that, if the revolution, with its flaws, had been overthrown Ken Burch Nov 2016 #21
Yep. Not like he was Dick Cheney. Iggo Nov 2016 #11
Was Roosevelt a great President? Many of Asian ethnicity would say 'No'. randome Nov 2016 #13
about a year before Obamas new Cuba policy, russia was going to start oil drilling Sunlei Nov 2016 #14
You should've stopped here nini Nov 2016 #15
Excellent post malaise Nov 2016 #17
Sorry but it as simple as he was an evil dictator. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #18
The people who want him out don't want anything better for Cuba. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #23
Really? The people who want him out don't want anything better for Cuba? hrmjustin Nov 2016 #24
They want "elections"...which, by themselves, aren't anything. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #25
If they want socialism, communism, or capitalism it should be up to the people who live there throug hrmjustin Nov 2016 #26
They could only be free and fair... Ken Burch Nov 2016 #28
There will only be fair and free elections when the current dictator allows them. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #30
If they hated him, hated socialism, hated communism, he'd have been gone years ago Warpy Nov 2016 #32
If this is true let there be free and fair elections! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #33
You mean like these? Warpy Nov 2016 #34
You think these elections were fair? hrmjustin Nov 2016 #37
At least as fair as ours are. Warpy Nov 2016 #38
Clearly we disagree. Have a good evening! hrmjustin Nov 2016 #39
Isn't amazing that the free and fair Cuban elections keep the Castro bros. in power for 50 years? brooklynite Nov 2016 #42
That assumes the ruling capitalists will not resort to violence. rug Nov 2016 #55
Yes that is a fair point. hrmjustin Nov 2016 #56
I am having a hard time with this jargon hfojvt Nov 2016 #40
OK...what you need to do, white heterosexuality aside... Ken Burch Nov 2016 #52
you seem not to have noticed hfojvt Nov 2016 #59
I was going on your statement that you hadn't read Latin American history. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #61
Ok. Castro was a dictator. TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2016 #27
It's not that simple. And "Fixed it" is a right-wing meme. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #29
Fixed it is a right wing meme? hrmjustin Nov 2016 #31
In my experience, yes. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #45
"Fixed it" is a right wing meme? TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2016 #36
It's something I usually see Trump trolls(We could call them "Trumplestiltskins") Ken Burch Nov 2016 #44
I see it on Facebook TexasMommaWithAHat Nov 2016 #54
It's a way of saying "your opinion is not worthy of any respect-and you didn't even mean it". Ken Burch Nov 2016 #58
I stopped at "right-wing coup in Venezuela" Blue_Tires Nov 2016 #35
Why not consider staying on topic? This is not an invitation to take a kick at all leftists. Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #43
The masks come off when it comes to Fidel! flamingdem Nov 2016 #47
They turned Miami into what the FBI termed "America's Murder Capital" at one time. Judi Lynn Nov 2016 #60
totalitarianism in the name of the left is still totalitarianism Blue_Tires Dec 2016 #62
We are very selective in the dictators we condemn. alarimer Nov 2016 #57
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