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nashville_brook

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31. while i don't want to see Obama "suffer a setback," striking the Individual Mandate is the right

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 08:11 PM

Jun 2012

thing to do -- which tells me that it probably won't come from this SCOTUS.

here's why i see it as a possible net good: it's bad law. it was a Heritage Foundation policy proposal. striking it down would open the door for Medicare For All which wouldn't have Constitutional issues, and this would be demanded by Americans who've received a taste of the freedom that non-employer based healthcare provides. and lastly...such action would outrage and motivate Democratic voters on the issue that's the strongest for reelection, which is maintaining control of SCOTUS nominations.

having said all that, i will be very surprised if they hand Obama this sort of political capital.

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Would you like to see the Supreme Court strike down the individual mandate? [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 OP

to clarify, i think aca is not a great law, and the "mandate" is central to its problems unblock Jun 2012 #1

The 16th Amendment made income taxes constitutional. Laelth Jun 2012 #27

+1 nashville_brook Jun 2012 #30

but the "mandate" *is* an income tax because there's a poverty exemption. unblock Jun 2012 #34

Never before ... Laelth Jun 2012 #39

the income tax is replete with taxes you must pay, and many ways to reduce your taxes unblock Jun 2012 #41

It is an extra burden on a generation that's getting the "short end of the stick". MrTriumph Jun 2012 #2

I very much want it struck down.... mike_c Jun 2012 #3

Wrong ProSense Jun 2012 #7

a voucher that would increasingly shift the burden of paying for insurance... mike_c Jun 2012 #12

Or ProSense Jun 2012 #14

Employers can, however, get a waiver to allow them to provide shoddy coverage far below aca minimums LooseWilly Jun 2012 #25

Its cheaper for a company to drop their coverage and pay the fine. riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #32

+1 Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #38

Absolutely not. If they do, it tears at the legal foundation of a myriad of other social programs. pnwmom Jun 2012 #4

No, Medicaid and Medicare have nothing to do with being mandated EFerrari Jun 2012 #17

Yes but I don't expect them to. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #5

imagine the pressure this money is putting on the supremes. nashville_brook Jun 2012 #33

MONEY FOR NOTHING! Those CEOs are disgusting individuals if they think that SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #36

Yes, ProSense Jun 2012 #6

so that's a no.... Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #10

Correct. What ProSense Jun 2012 #13

Medicaid was created in 1965. Established, if not settled, law by now. Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #16

Actually, ProSense Jun 2012 #19

Supreme Court unlikely to strike Medicaid expansion from Affordable Care Act Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #22

No. Without the mandate, they will be able to strike down the entire thing. dawg Jun 2012 #8

As a stand alone clause, yes.... if it takes other parts of the law with it, no. Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #9

I think the mandate is the foundation of the whole thing Bryn Jun 2012 #11

I see the mandate as a poison pill for the rest, the good parts will be eroded or discarded Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #15

Right there with you, Uncle Joe. EFerrari Jun 2012 #18

I hear you, EFerrari and considering the long term impact of Citizens United and the mandate, Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #21

I'm afraid what CU did in WI is only the smallest tip of the iceberg. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #23

I'm not really against the mandate, I fear the potential for future abuse of the mandate. HereSince1628 Jun 2012 #20

I'm still against it in principle but no I do not want it overturned, because I fear that a negative FLAprogressive Jun 2012 #24

I absolutely want the mandate struck down as unconstitutional. Laelth Jun 2012 #26

+1 leftstreet Jun 2012 #28

+1 Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #29

while i don't want to see Obama "suffer a setback," striking the Individual Mandate is the right nashville_brook Jun 2012 #31

No. I didn't have insurance for 4 years before ACA. And I want it to be 100% upheld... Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #35

Better than nothing.......Sad that we have to settled for better than nothing wrt to health care SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #37

it's a tough one for me... fascisthunter Jun 2012 #40