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Nonhlanhla

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112. That's fine

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:53 PM

Feb 2017

But since we are discussing the president's religion in this thread, I thought that I would say that simply has none. He's not even an atheist. He just worships himself.

I don't care if the president is a Christian - I don't see that as a necessity for the job. There are good and bad Christians. But as a Christian theologian, I feel deeply offended when this man uses my religion for votes. I also get annoyed because so much of the Christian faith is corrupted by prosperity theology and hate. Those are bad Christians (I won't bore you with the details of the many heresies present in American white evangelicalism, but there's plenty). Trump is using them, and the idiot rightwing Christians think he is one of them. He is not. He's just an empty-headed narcissist.

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The next President needs to be an atheist [View all] IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 OP

The next President needs to be a Liberal. Motown_Johnny Feb 2017 #1

Agreed etherealtruth Feb 2017 #11

An Atheist President would be refreshing. sarcasmo Feb 2017 #2

I'm all for that madokie Feb 2017 #8

it is not the cause, let alone the mail cause, it is just cover but I'd love to have an open atheist Hamlette Feb 2017 #3

We certainly have IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #7

Suggesting that Obama wasn't really a Christian onenote Feb 2017 #31

Are you suggesting I have no right to share my opinion? IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #33

Did you think it was okay for RW'er to offer their opinion as to whether Obama onenote Feb 2017 #38

Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #42

Wrong. I'm progressive. But I'm not a Christian. onenote Feb 2017 #52

I would love to see that coalition rally around something other than a Judeo-Christian IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #59

And belittling their beliefs isn't likely to win that coalition over onenote Feb 2017 #69

I am not belittling their faith. I am saying that I'm sick of it ruling our politics. IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #72

Here's a test of whether you're belittling someone's faith onenote Feb 2017 #79

So we should only say things that nobody will be offended by? IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #81

We should avoid unnecessarily antagonizing our allies and show them the respect onenote Feb 2017 #84

The only people my OP is meant to antagonize are religious fundamentalist and they are NOT allies IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #85

You misread my point. Which is that you have, by your own admission, onenote Feb 2017 #86

No, you and I disagree on what constitutes antagonizing IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #88

Your intellectual superiority to Martin Luther King, Jr. is duly noted onenote Feb 2017 #89

As is your inability to formulate an argument beyond false equivalencies and insults LOL IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #90

In Reading This Subthread. . . ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #94

+1 SticksnStones Feb 2017 #102

Sounds like your "opinion" is that President Obama was lying Tanuki Feb 2017 #40

Correct IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #44

2+2yellow is an opinion as well. LanternWaste Feb 2017 #98

People love to project their own views on Obama. former9thward Feb 2017 #30

I'd love to know what evidence you have beyond your own projection. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #37

my only evidence is his mother and grandparents Hamlette Feb 2017 #82

maybe trump is one bdamomma Feb 2017 #4

Trump is not a believer...at least not a believer in "Hell" Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #5

Trump isn't religious. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #6

Trump is exactly why I say what I do IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #10

The First Amendment prevents the enactment of laws that prohibit the free exercise The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #14

I am not proposing to in any way limit their rights IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #20

And I'm not sure if anything can be done to change their minds, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #45

You are correct. I'm not looking to change their mind, just help others not be so intimidated IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #49

Even more than his pandering is their Play-Doh-like self-malleability... JHB Feb 2017 #21

Yes, and that only underscores my point of why we can no longer empower these people IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #23

Does "these people" include anyone that professes a belief if god onenote Feb 2017 #39

No, not at all IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #41

Agreed ... he never appeared to have any interest until he needed voters etherealtruth Feb 2017 #12

It's mostly because of abortion. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #18

... they pretty much did (follow him right off a cliff) etherealtruth Feb 2017 #19

I would say we have one, except he is a trumpist. He worships himself. TexasProgresive Feb 2017 #9

yes, he worships a golden god, himself. TeamPooka Feb 2017 #13

Yes, everyone knows that godlessness is inherently less moral than believing Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #16

The next President needs to be someone who doesn't think in cliches. rug Feb 2017 #15

Why always the President? treestar Feb 2017 #17

FYI...There are athiests who are conservative..... Xolodno Feb 2017 #22

I know, but the reality is that religion in politics and the pandering to religion is ubiquitous IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #25

And they all said Brainstormy Feb 2017 #24

Even more important we need atheists on the Supreme Court csziggy Feb 2017 #26

Yes...but that will likely require an OPENLY atheist or agnostic POTUS.... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #28

The current so-called president is not a Christian Nonhlanhla Feb 2017 #27

If the current president says he's a Christian then he is a Christian SticksnStones Feb 2017 #103

No, he is not even a failed Christian Nonhlanhla Feb 2017 #105

While I agree with your premise... SticksnStones Feb 2017 #108

That's fine Nonhlanhla Feb 2017 #112

I'm pretty sure this one is. tavernier Feb 2017 #29

Perhaps he won't directly admit it, but Trump is one. Our next president needs to be sane. tandem5 Feb 2017 #32

Whatever he does or doesn't believe, I would wager he hasn't given it much thought IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #35

And hopefully not a sexist nolabels Feb 2017 #34

As long as it was an intelligent, thoughtful, literate, levelheaded, fair-minded, Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #36

Translation: The election is 3-1/2 years away, but I'm going to start finding ways to divide our FSogol Feb 2017 #43

No, our party needs to show the courage of its convictions IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #46

I think you are trying to define a small tent. That's a proven path to losing. n/t FSogol Feb 2017 #48

So you think the very presence of a professed non-believer makes for an inherently smaller tent? IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #53

All you need to do is get the atheists, as a voting block, to agree on a candidate... brooklynite Feb 2017 #47

The right candidate would draw a lot more than just the atheist IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #50

If you want a candidate who IS atheist to step forward... brooklynite Feb 2017 #99

Religion controls the masses. Most top tier preachers don't believe what they're selling NightWatcher Feb 2017 #51

I couldn't agree more... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #57

Plus the idea of faith is the antithesis of critical thinking and reason. NightWatcher Feb 2017 #60

Precisely IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #63

Don't make me bust out my Asimov "there is a cult of ignorance " quote NightWatcher Feb 2017 #67

It is so frustrating to live in an age... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #75

Stalin was an atheist. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #54

So was Carl Sagan...so is Stephen Hawking IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #62

Any post that attempts to frame things as this post does guillaumeb Feb 2017 #107

Is there an alternative oath of office, that doesn't involve god and the bible? dubyadiprecession Feb 2017 #55

Actually, neither invocation of God nor swearing on a bible is required. Tanuki Feb 2017 #74

dt is an atheist; he only believes in himself. nt babylonsister Feb 2017 #56

That is not the definition of an atheist SharonClark Feb 2017 #58

OK. babylonsister Feb 2017 #73

Bigoted and arrogant post HopeAgain Feb 2017 #61

I'm sorry you feel that way IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #71

Your post clearly implies an atheist would be better than any Christian HopeAgain Feb 2017 #77

I was raised in a Christian family...I know it all too well IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #80

The problem is not religion... HopeAgain Feb 2017 #92

The next president needs to be a Democrat. n/t Crunchy Frog Feb 2017 #64

The next president needs to be sane. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2017 #65

This. So much for liberal tolerance. liquid diamond Feb 2017 #68

Good luck with that. liquid diamond Feb 2017 #66

We will have a Muslim in the white house before that samir.g Feb 2017 #70

Sadly, seeing as how atheist poll as the only demographic seen as less trustworthy IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #78

I think you're right Calculating Feb 2017 #87

"Accountability for our actions in this life..." Mariana Feb 2017 #96

Sorry. I just can't get behind a religious test of any sort. WillowTree Feb 2017 #76

You've obviously missed my point IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #83

You obviously missed the word "any". WillowTree Feb 2017 #91

agree 100% HAB911 Feb 2017 #95

Aggressive but delicate flowers IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #100

I don't care if s/he is an atheist or not MissMillie Feb 2017 #93

Everyone is born an atheist. No one is born a racist. logosoco Feb 2017 #97

I honestly believe Trump is an atheist. bravenak Feb 2017 #101

The most important question to a candidate is jcboon Feb 2017 #104

I suppose denying one imaginary construct... LanternWaste Feb 2017 #106

This President does not believe in God itcfish Feb 2017 #109

hmm...I'd settle for "not the actual Anti-Christ" anarch Feb 2017 #110

DU rules prevent me from responding to this post the way I want to. LAS14 Feb 2017 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Vermijelli Feb 2017 #113

The next POTUS needs to be the best liberal for the job Vermijelli Feb 2017 #114

Bill Maher for President HAB911 Feb 2017 #115