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Ford_Prefect

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68. The story here is not Impeachment but the impugning of the entire election.

Thu Mar 16, 2017, 11:48 AM

Mar 2017

Impeachment only removes #45 and does nothing to redress the larger list of crimes.

The outcome of the whole election is tainted by 3rd party and GOP interference. Specific actions taken by Trump and his enablers, including Pence and now it seems members of congress, constitute grounds for legal response. The problem as stated by others above is that Congress may be the only party who can act on some of the claims regarding #45 and his immediate staff.

As we have seen in the past the AG of a president under fire, who may himself be culpable, is the principle authority, though not the only one, who may pursue legal action against the cabal of traitors and un-indicted co-conspirators.

A special prosecutor is what we really need, and NOW. It took more than 2 years to complete the Watergate hearings and related legal actions, and even then not all the rabbits had been dug from the hole.

The GOP is staring at nothing less than the over throw of their most cherished dreams: the chance to up-end the federal Judiciary and bureaucracy to form a more perfect government which benefits their patrons and zealots alike. I do not see them as willing or able to do right thing.

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Regarding the tea leaf reading of Diane Feinstein's body language after the Comey meeting yesterday. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2017 OP

Whatever the FBI is into, it is darn serious. n/t RDANGELO Mar 2017 #1

Yep - they're all shaking and wondering WTF do we do now? FakeNoose Mar 2017 #69

I am hoping that they all (top Dems as well) have not decided for the sake of "stability" LiberalLovinLug Mar 2017 #154

I think they're upset b/c their colleagues in Congress are implicated in this mess. bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #163

Burr seems likely. Did you notice how sick Nunes looked at his news confrence with Schiff yesterday Mars and Minerva Mar 2017 #171

I just hope she's not sad because Republicans will get away with all the crimes. Sunlei Mar 2017 #137

I'm with you - I hope it's not that, too. VERY MUCH. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2017 #169

Remember "... it's the Cover-up"? Well what if the reason for the tweet was populistdriven Mar 2017 #153

Comey was already looking before Trump tweeted about Obama FakeNoose Mar 2017 #155

It was this OP thread that made me think of this: Amaryllis Mar 2017 #161

republican Comrade Casino plans to dodge responsibility for treason against USA Achilleaze Mar 2017 #2

Her eyes and expression looked the same when she announced Moscone and Milk had been killed. mulsh Mar 2017 #3

Thanks for your post. nt kstewart33 Mar 2017 #7

interesting keepthemhonestO Mar 2017 #23

Thanks for posting. blueseas Mar 2017 #31

MTE! I seriously thought EXACTLY the same thing, and I hesitated to post it since that incident anneboleyn Mar 2017 #45

if you watch the whole vid there is a point where she 'smiles' certainot Mar 2017 #57

Do you have a link to that video? LeftofObama Mar 2017 #84

I think it's here: Catherine Vincent Mar 2017 #97

Thanks for that! LeftofObama Mar 2017 #104

Link goes to story but video won't play Mad-in-Mo Mar 2017 #143

Thanks. Catherine Vincent Mar 2017 #158

The way they looked at each other... Cracklin Charlie Mar 2017 #78

She did look as if to break down and cry. It's bad, whatever it is. The both of them already know monmouth4 Mar 2017 #4

This is the second time Feinstein has been caught on video after meeting with Comey bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #165

Reminds me of people after a diagnosis of terminal cancer dalton99a Mar 2017 #5

And that is an apt description of things, if it all is true. Without excising it, joet67 Mar 2017 #43

It seems to go further than Trump. We're going to need rolling impeachments. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #6

The Constitution is clear about lines of succession. It doesn't include your scenario. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #28

It is a valid scenario. Stonepounder Mar 2017 #36

My dream scenario is that.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2017 #56

Unless politician decide to pressure him into a deal. delisen Mar 2017 #81

Shrub did not win Florida. He remained in office after this truth was revealed. JudyM Mar 2017 #90

Really, we have fallen victim to falling on our sword, Alice11111 Mar 2017 #91

I'd love to say yes. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2017 #99

remember she said "I'm not going anywhere" almost like she knew it would eventually happen Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #93

Your positing a conciliatory gesture on the part of Republicans that is not in their nature. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #128

Of course not. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2017 #132

This is a Whole Other itcfish Mar 2017 #59

I think so too sarah FAILIN Mar 2017 #119

NVP Paul Ryan Big_K Mar 2017 #86

Not if Ryan is at all implicated in investigations. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #89

This is exactly what I am saying. Thanks for stating it clearly. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #88

The more likely scenario tavalon Mar 2017 #174

If Pence goes first radical noodle Mar 2017 #49

That is exactly what the Constitution says. Remove POTUS and VP takes over. After Pence KittyWampus Mar 2017 #87

Unfortunately, there no longer seem to be ANY moderate Republicans in office. nt tblue37 Mar 2017 #144

So this is a case where they will follow the Constitution while at usaf-vet Mar 2017 #124

Constitution didn't contemplate President Gerald Ford, either. lostnfound Mar 2017 #173

Pence and the Republican speaker as VP is the legal order of succession. Sunlei Mar 2017 #135

Wrong again. Pence is in line to the Presidency. Ryan is not in line as VP. KittyWampus Mar 2017 #142

I know Pence would be the president, who is VP if not the "speaker of the house" as VP? Sunlei Mar 2017 #145

25th Amendment specifies as follows in Section 2 LiberalFighter Mar 2017 #172

yes, it will be Pres Pence and VP Ryan. This is something Republicans have planned for over a year. Sunlei Mar 2017 #177

by the way the list I posted IMO, half of them are backed by Russia Sunlei Mar 2017 #146

That's one possibility for the glum faces. MineralMan Mar 2017 #8

I think we'd see a more annoyed and angry Feinstein if it was a matter of Comey obstructing. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2017 #11

I agree, really. I'm hopeful that what was revealed MineralMan Mar 2017 #20

I think Comey was blackmailed into bringing up the Hilary Email issue. TBA Mar 2017 #112

Another alternative is that they... Blanks Mar 2017 #136

from what I gleaned over months- Russians paid people using the "russian pensions" system. Sunlei Mar 2017 #147

Sorry, but Citizens United did not allow The Sand Reckoner Mar 2017 #149

OK, then the candidates broke the law... Blanks Mar 2017 #159

Oh, I have very little doubt that the Russians have dirt The Sand Reckoner Mar 2017 #166

Thanks for pointing out... Blanks Mar 2017 #170

Citizens United wasn't even about The Sand Reckoner Mar 2017 #175

I doubt that Comey could have been blackmailed over something like the Hatch Act. Should he have politicaljunkie41910 Mar 2017 #156

Based on her emotional state bdamomma Mar 2017 #123

Exactly. It wasn't defiance, it was loss. Irretrievable loss. lindysalsagal Mar 2017 #160

I think the most probable explanation is that Comey told them nothing, and that the investigation is still_one Mar 2017 #14

That's possible, but I believe Feinstein would have reacted MineralMan Mar 2017 #21

I Saw Fear & Anger itcfish Mar 2017 #54

This feels a lot like the Iran/Contra scandal to me. Actually, Reagan should have been impeached still_one Mar 2017 #64

He claimed he knew nothing about it lunatica Mar 2017 #80

He knew. He was a big fan of the contras still_one Mar 2017 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author lark Mar 2017 #44

I think if Comey had said he wouldn't talk about it, she/they would have looked frustrated. nt LAS14 Mar 2017 #27

trump didn't spew tweet 'covers' so it must be bad news for him/republicans Sunlei Mar 2017 #139

Links lagomorph777 Mar 2017 #9

thnx progressoid Mar 2017 #127

Harry Reid alluded to this in October. So did John Lewis. However, I am not so confident that still_one Mar 2017 #10

So this isn't grounds for removal?? ailsagirl Mar 2017 #29

I didn't say that, I am just speculating, and basing it on the fact that the republicans control still_one Mar 2017 #46

It's hard not to be cynical, still_one ailsagirl Mar 2017 #55

2018 still_one Mar 2017 #60

Yep ailsagirl Mar 2017 #61

Blow jobs. apparently. nt msanthrope Mar 2017 #122

exactly how about bdamomma Mar 2017 #129

If congress will not remove Agent Orange and there is clear evidence onetexan Mar 2017 #35

They Will Not Remove Him itcfish Mar 2017 #47

Was a good but sad article a while back - the different mechanisms to get rid of him - and Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #96

You nailed it. crappyjazz Mar 2017 #12

These are questions I have been pondering with a sick stomach all along. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2017 #24

The Supreme Court can nullify the election results FakeNoose Mar 2017 #72

Can they? Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2017 #113

Somebody has to take it to the Supreme Court FakeNoose Mar 2017 #117

I can say with absolute confidence that Trump will NOT resign Cosmocat Mar 2017 #25

Wouldn't he have to though to get Secret Service protection? maryellen99 Mar 2017 #73

I'm frighten you are right he will not leave even if it take starting a shooting war usaf-vet Mar 2017 #131

The problem is that the Republicans hold majorities in both houses of Congress. yardwork Mar 2017 #34

My hope is that if heroic patriotism doesn't work here, purely selfish ambition will. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2017 #37

We'll see. The Republicans are in pretty deep. yardwork Mar 2017 #40

Look at how his MFM008 Mar 2017 #58

When do we learn what happened? cilla4progress Mar 2017 #13

Three Days of the Condor: 'How do you know they will publish it?' wiggs Mar 2017 #15

Keep watching Rachel Maddow FakeNoose Mar 2017 #75

Some serious shit going on...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2017 #16

K&R smirkymonkey Mar 2017 #17

i had that same impression..... samnsara Mar 2017 #18

Well said. Duppers Mar 2017 #19

Yes PatSeg Mar 2017 #22

You said it right: Eyeball_Kid Mar 2017 #130

very rarely does something dramatic come along to change the way our government is effected... Javaman Mar 2017 #26

+1000. byronius Mar 2017 #85

Maybe they Rebl2 Mar 2017 #30

I've never seen like this. DK504 Mar 2017 #32

My worry is that he will try to use the military to stay in power. libtodeath Mar 2017 #33

Yeah, I didn't like him appointing all those generals, but do you really notdarkyet Mar 2017 #41

I dont know and hope not to find out. libtodeath Mar 2017 #48

He's doing a good job of pissing off the CIA, and the military, after Yemen. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2017 #50

Yep. KPN Mar 2017 #62

What's he going to do - nuke the Russians? FakeNoose Mar 2017 #77

We need the truth. We deserve the truth. notdarkyet Mar 2017 #38

And we can handle the truth... Heartstrings Mar 2017 #66

She had the look of someone safeinOhio Mar 2017 #39

Strange, I am usually the pessimist around here. Stonepounder Mar 2017 #42

here is an article bdamomma Mar 2017 #133

I don't care about Trump but creoledna Mar 2017 #51

My take... hurple Mar 2017 #52

another person I would like to hear from bdamomma Mar 2017 #134

+1,000 % spanone Mar 2017 #53

My fear Timmygoat Mar 2017 #63

I remember the tears at Watergate CanonRay Mar 2017 #65

Similar expression I had after the 2nd doctor confirmed I had a brain injury, I balled though... uponit7771 Mar 2017 #67

The story here is not Impeachment but the impugning of the entire election. Ford_Prefect Mar 2017 #68

Persuasive. Yet how can we trust this GOP Congress to impeach based on classified findings. nt ancianita Mar 2017 #70

Very thoughtful OP -- Thanks!! Big KnR (nt) malchickiwick Mar 2017 #71

maybe. Hard to read body language. bigtree Mar 2017 #74

if they had any of the goods before the election, we needed to know more than about Hillary's email yurbud Mar 2017 #76

Republicans won't turn on their own liquid diamond Mar 2017 #79

Republicans will scrape their russian collusion off on trump.He's NEVER been an R party insider. Sunlei Mar 2017 #140

Hillary is very wise to keep her head down now. She may know some things..... northoftheborder Mar 2017 #82

ties back to her saying Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #98

Is anybody else worried about civil unrest from the trump supporters maryellen99 Mar 2017 #83

Not as much as I worry about the consequences of his not resigning or being impeached. bluedigger Mar 2017 #94

Me too nt maryellen99 Mar 2017 #109

yes he is a danger. bdamomma Mar 2017 #138

Convincing analysis, Tommy. Nitram Mar 2017 #92

If there is "positive proof"... SHRED Mar 2017 #95

Grassley True Blue American Mar 2017 #100

I just hope there's not some kind of peripheral action, however benign, that Obama Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2017 #101

We saw this movie before when Comey met with Gang of 8 SHRED Mar 2017 #102

I just noticed that Feinstein said she True Blue American Mar 2017 #103

Perhaps more than their worst fears were confirmed? spixxen Mar 2017 #105

That moment in A Few Good Men when Kevin Bacon........... spixxen Mar 2017 #107

Love that movie and love that part. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2017 #178

Shoe droppings? czarjak Mar 2017 #106

Redo the election with hand-counted paper ballots Politicub Mar 2017 #108

... and it must really hurt them to not be able to tell people about it. JPZenger Mar 2017 #110

Nothing will happen and we'll likely never know anything but innuendo ymetca Mar 2017 #111

In my heart I wish the OP read the body language correctly and that Trump is rightfully toast Boomerproud Mar 2017 #150

We will be lucky if Trump/Pence are impeached before 2018 because they are dismantling mnhtnbb Mar 2017 #115

Imagine the economic hit. If Watergate was a cancer on the presidency this is a bronxiteforever Mar 2017 #116

insightful post bdamomma Mar 2017 #118

Excellent! DownriverDem Mar 2017 #120

Tears... imaging the tears in the eye of parents when their young child (adult) usaf-vet Mar 2017 #121

with all due repect to all on this forum rtracey Mar 2017 #125

But it's fun to try to read body language. Let's hope.. LAS14 Mar 2017 #141

That photo of them coming out of the meeting kept me awake last night. Vinca Mar 2017 #126

Their body language indicates bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #164

Good point. I've been especially suspicious of Turtle Man. Vinca Mar 2017 #167

It's strange that him and Burr did not attend these meetings with Comey yesterday. bathroommonkey76 Mar 2017 #168

Get a grip dude, this kind of skulduggery has been going on since time began nolabels Mar 2017 #148

This would also precipitate an even greater divide The Sand Reckoner Mar 2017 #151

Or you've just had to sit through a video C_U_L8R Mar 2017 #152

"If you're going to strike the king..." SmartRat Mar 2017 #157

Why do you call it "tea leaf reading"? One reads tea leaves to predict the future. One reads body... Nitram Mar 2017 #162

K&R. dchill Mar 2017 #176