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dsc

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Fri Apr 21, 2017, 10:03 PM Apr 2017

Many of us lived through a Democratic party, that was, to put it charitably [View all]

indifferent to 'social' issues. Ronald Reagan opposed the infamous initiative that would have banned not only LGBT teachers but any people who supported LGBT people from teaching before Jimmy Carter did. Our Senate majority from 1977 to 1989 was Robert Byrd, who was by any measure a total homophobe. The GOP record on AIDS, quite fairly, is recognized as being abysmal but the Democratic record from that era frankly was only marginally better. Clinton was the first nominee to actively campaign for LGBT votes. Then we saw 2000 where the candidates debated whether to add LGBT to the Civil Rights Act or pass a separate ENDA style law. In 2004, we had one candidate who campaigned largely on his record in regards to LGBT (along with opposition to the war) and the rest of the slate fought hard for our votes. In 2008, one of the forums was entirely about LGBT issues. Then in 2016, it was nearly radio silence. Not one single, solitary debate question was about LGBT issues. Those issues only got brought up by Hillary unprompted by the moderators. Honestly those debates could have been held in the 1980's in terms of LGBT issues given the lack of them coming up. Gays have, in many senses, come a long way since my childhood and young adulthood. My college's gay group was underground when I was at school. There was only one state with statewide protections for LGB people (Wisconsin didn't protect trans). The president of my college's Democrats wore shorts on a 40 degree day in order not to show support for the LGBT denim day at my school. Now 21 states have state wide protection. Marriage equality is the law of the land. A few states have banned gay conversion therapy. But, 29 states still have no protections, marriage equality was a 5 to 4 decision with two 80 year olds having authored it. Yet, not one question, not one, about any LGBT rights issue. Nothing about the problem older gays have in nursing homes, nothing about the persistent problem with bullying and suicide in schools, nothing about our 9th largest state banning trans from bathrooms.

It is against that backdrop that some of us are looking with fear when we see progressivism being defined as purely economic without regard to social issues. When we see the moniker progressive being given to candidates that would outlaw abortion, codify discrimination against gays and see it refuse to be given to candidates who favor legal abortion and have sterling gay rights records because they want to raise the minimum wage to 13 dollars and hour as opposed to 15 or want college to be loan free instead of tuition free or they once spoke to Citibank that is worrisome. I remember a time when only economics mattered to our party and I was very much on the outside looking in. We am on the inside now, we clawed our way in, we aren't going quietly into that great night. You don't get to define me out of progressivism.

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Thank you for sharing that. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #1
It is amazing on some levels how far we have come dsc Apr 2017 #7
Democrats evolved on social issues mcar Apr 2017 #2
The demand for instantaneous purity with perfect 2020 hindsight from 20 years in the future Vesper Apr 2017 #37
Yes mcar Apr 2017 #41
RE: the debates Crash2Parties Apr 2017 #3
Which candidates want to outlaw abortion and codify discrimination against gays? oberliner Apr 2017 #4
the guy running for mayor of Omaha for one dsc Apr 2017 #5
Thanks oberliner Apr 2017 #6
On one of these numerous threads, someone posted the vote smart page Vesper Apr 2017 #38
I'll give you the advice given to me last year when a candidate didn't meet my minimum standards That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #22
I have no problem with a consistent application of that rule dsc Apr 2017 #26
Exactly this! Great post. DanTex Apr 2017 #33
Spotty records like Tim Kaine? That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #34
again, since you apparently didn't read my post dsc Apr 2017 #35
You have opinion not backed up by facts. That Guy 888 Apr 2017 #39
Please check his gay rights record. JudyM Apr 2017 #25
I have tried to for the past 20 or so minutes and can find very little dsc Apr 2017 #27
He did not "codify discrimination against gays." This fits your narrative, but not so much the truth JudyM Apr 2017 #28
Actually I have no idea what he did or didn't do dsc Apr 2017 #29
He's not a republican; some Dems have varied positions... you might want to consider an edit ... JudyM Apr 2017 #30
No because I never said he did legislate discrimination dsc Apr 2017 #31
Its purely economic to old white dudes. nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #8
You sound a lot like me. herding cats Apr 2017 #9
the failure that was the alleged HB2 repeal is very frightening dsc Apr 2017 #10
I still can't believe that happened. herding cats Apr 2017 #12
I understood we couldn't get everything we wanted out of that legislature dsc Apr 2017 #15
I didn't expect perfect, but I hoped for something decent and relevant to the overall social trends. herding cats Apr 2017 #20
have you seen this ? JI7 Apr 2017 #11
In fairness it is easy to have that stance as a 30 year old who never held office dsc Apr 2017 #13
You never ever see other Republicans rally for a pro-choice Republican because of Yavin4 Apr 2017 #14
actually yes you do dsc Apr 2017 #16
They don't openly campaign for them. Yavin4 Apr 2017 #17
Either one could have anyone campaign who they wanted to dsc Apr 2017 #18
And I don't know where this came from. Before this last Presidential election I hadn't heard stevenleser Apr 2017 #19
Revolting indeed. It sickens me. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #24
k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2017 #21
Great post. WomenRising2017 Apr 2017 #23
As a gay man, along with LGBT I also stand in soldarity with Women, People of Color, 6000eliot Apr 2017 #32
This...1000% Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #36
Reccing with this caveat: UTUSN Apr 2017 #40
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