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LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
63. Thanks for nothing Naomi Klein.
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:42 PM
May 2017

She's probably of the "Bernie with his popularity and huge favorables would have beaten trump easily" crowd (West, Sarandon, Jimmy Dore etc.) but who for whatever reason don't ever think that the SAME voter-suppression, voter-crosschecking, voter-purging tactics where MILLIONS of Dems were purged from voting rolls in *key* states like MI, WI., PA, AZ. NC. that tRump HAD to win to come from behind to win the presidency would have been flung onto Bernie also (And who knows what happens in Ohio and Florida since 2004 and 2000 respectfully as far as voter suppression is concerned with Dems). You seemingly can't reason with them on the voter-suppression issue. Not to mention, Bernie would have gotten more scrutiny, those favorables would have been driven down the more that lies were thrown at him, his wife's situation with the college drummed up, and that alleged 3 inch thick dossier trotted out @ him with tRumputin repeating ad nausea what was in there, and Bernie would have gotten little air time to counter the lies and twisting of what he said about various issues and ideas he held when a much younger person/man and about various parts of his personal life etc. Whipping tRumputin's ass on a debate stage 3 times wouldn't have helped Bernie either (Hillary who wiped the floor with tRumputin but uh), because we know tRumputin was given tons of free air time ($2 Billion dollars worth) to spew without being fact-checked on many an occasion courtesy of most in the so-called "liberal media," and over at CNN he was given quite a bit of air time to ramble on and on, and Les Moonves said that while he personally thought that tRumputin was a train wreck and wrong for country, he brings in huge ratings (Big ad buys). Yep he gave good face thanks to his train-wreck, racist, crazy pressers, and monkey holding a grenade and threatening to pull the pen persona etc., and folks who loved him and who hated him watched that fascist, dumb clown and ate it up.

But back to voter suppression, Bernie would have "enjoyed" all of this too just like Hillary did:

Crosscheck Removed 450K Voters in MI, 270 K in AZ and 590 K in NC!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/14/1599330/-Crosscheck-Removed-450K-Voters-in-MI-270-K-in-AZ-and-590-K-in-NC

This tactic would have been done to Pres. Obama if he were running in 2016 as Sen. Obama. Hell, NO Dem had a chance to win the 2016 General Election. And before says Bernie/Sen. Obama would have bought out more folks than Hillary to vote, that would have only meant that thuglicans would have adjusted their voter-suppression tactics to larger numbers IE: MORE voter-purging, MORE voter-crosschecking, MORE voter-suppression. thuglicans not only had voter-suppression humming on all cylinders mostly in 2016 but also KNOWINGLY had/enlisted the "help" of russia who meddled (And whose still meddles per Clint Watts and now Clapper) into our elections. I mean, tRumputin, Flynn, Kushner other thuglicans who knew what was happening are guilty of various forms of treason and collusion, but winning all of the branches of power mean more to them than country. Ryan, McConnell and others like them love and of course embrace Kleptocracy and voter-suppression, and we see per document dump starting last week from a Dem Scott Dworkin, that McConnell was receiving BIG monies from a group(s) connected to putin et al. We know that Ryan got himself some $$$$/help out of the deal also where voter-suppression, ruskie cyber-hacking tactics in WI. with thoughts down the road of course of securing those state houses which will give them and the Koch Bros access to changing the Constitution which is on their big thuglican screw this country's bucket list, and if we think things are bad now, just what'll happen if we have our Constitution amended giving us a one-party rule (thuglicans) where white, wealthy males turn this whole country into what they have over in russia--a Kleptocracy--and where those who protest/go against the government are at the very least arrested & jailed (Per tRumputin's own words allegedly to Comey), and at the very worst silenced forever: murdered/killed (putin).

WHAT in hell happens in 2018 and 2020 with voter-suppression on mega doses of 'roids when thuglicans go looking for those State Houses they need to get their treasonous, nasty, filthy hands on the Constitution? How will Dems counter ruskie hacking/meddling (Which we know tRumputin loves and will invite--he has no choice given the fact that he owes putin etc. so much for his WH installment)--even at the expense of and on the backs of those tRumpanzees who blindly, ignorantly and in massive fits of racism/hatred of minorities/Pres. Obama voted for him? We know top cop beauguard is in tight with tRumputin and has a few ruskie ties as well, and we also know that he's a racist little prick who doesn't want Dems (especially minority Dems) to be able to vote. We for sure know tRump's on board with the ruskies, know that pence is a rotten, right-winged, religious liar right there with them too in that he KNEW what Flynn was doing with the ruskies. McConnell and Ryan--all in bed with the ruskies too in one way or another, and even thuglicans who may disagree with the treasonous aspects of tRumputin's presidency aren't saying much as they either put party before country, or, are scared that they'll be the subject of blackmail by putin/russia themselves, because what's clear also is that even though the ruskies hacked and leaked Dem emails/materials, we know they got something on thuglicans also, and who knows what blackmail info they have on them?

I know investigations into tRumputin and russia are on-going and moving fast in some cases which is GREAT, but all of these investigations will take time because there's SO much to investigate properly and get right on the record if indictments/prosecutions are coming eventually and as far as those investigations go I'd be lying if I said I felt secure about their outcomes, especially given the fact that thuglicans are STILL in power over most investigative committees. Muller is said to be an extremely intelligent, thorough, straight-shooter, so we'll see where Special Counsel Muller takes us on this long journey on his end, so there's that. But for those of us dealing with and living and dealing with this REALLY hideous movie are I'm sure still hopeful but truthfully admittedly scared shitess, and especially so as the 2018 mid-terms approach under a tRumputin DOJ HEAVILY influenced by putin, the mastermind and man behind the curtain holding tRumps puppet strings with tons of blackmail ready to go if tRumputin doesn't do what putin wants him to do, and if those things weren't already enough, we have a man installed in the White House as president who we see with the remaining mental capacity he has left, is growing more paranoid, is starting up again with the tweet-storming which can't be controlled, he's blocking folks on twitter and lashing out like a hungry and very GUILTY AS HELL caged animal while at the same time, his health physically is getting worse (Gaining weight as an older person/bad diet habits), and we don't have to be doctors to SEE with our own eyes that through his actions/jumbled thought process and verbiage that he's suffering some type of NOTICEABLE mental decline/mental slippage daily, and who knows what'll happen with that unstable situation as the days, weeks play out.

If Trump and his Russian masters hadn't stolen the election, Hillary Clinton would be president now. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #1
That has nothing to do with the point being made. Chasstev365 May 2017 #3
Don't you condescend to me. It has everything to do with it AFAIC. 50 Shades Of Blue May 2017 #4
The headline wrongly attributes the loss to anything but the "cultural anxiety" the GOP and Trump bettyellen May 2017 #6
Trump ran on privatization, deregulation and that's exactly what he's doing. emulatorloo May 2017 #8
these are career types JI7 May 2017 #25
I think that column entirely misrepresents Clinton's position. NT Adrahil May 2017 #2
Yes. Better question is why binary-thinking folk call everyone they disagree with a 'neoliberal' emulatorloo May 2017 #5
I think Naomi Klein has it mostly right nbsmom May 2017 #10
THAT Hillary was always there. She showed up years ago. mhw May 2017 #14
Exactly ismnotwasm May 2017 #18
THAT Hillary was there all along. Now that she's not ambitious it scares you less and you're more bettyellen May 2017 #26
"What do Dems stand for, really?" That is bullshit. Maybe Klein should pull her head out of her still_one May 2017 #33
That Hillary was always there, but the media found it more fun to cover DT. pnwmom May 2017 #82
+1 betsuni May 2017 #85
It's an opinion piece, not God's honest truth. emulatorloo May 2017 #7
Chump is governing as a neo-liberal and the Deplorables still adore him !!! DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #9
So true. NT Adrahil May 2017 #24
and the Hillary hater's like Kline and Greenwald, continue to spew falsehoods and distortions about still_one May 2017 #34
What a pantload ..keep that Dem Party divided Naomi! Fascism thanks you. mhw May 2017 #11
Klein wrote this in November. I have not idea why it is posted today. Demsrule86 May 2017 #52
Because fracturing the Party of the people is still in force. mhw May 2017 #59
Yes and we she consider the motives of folks who post this stuff. Demsrule86 May 2017 #76
Exactly. What's the motive behind dividing the Democratic Party? mhw May 2017 #77
Not just November, but the week of the election SharonClark May 2017 #62
One can only hope...I truly despise spoiled entitled people like her. Demsrule86 May 2017 #75
What a joke. This is an insanely stupid gibberish. In the meantime, we are stuck R B Garr May 2017 #12
And they call Louise & Claude opportunists? Wow. mhw May 2017 #16
Author of a book called "The Shock Doctrine " nbsmom May 2017 #21
Good book, well received. emulatorloo May 2017 #28
Much of the "populist Left", including her forjusticethunders May 2017 #84
Yes, only five months of Trump, and this is all they can come up with?? It's R B Garr May 2017 #22
Seeing how you've been on this site for 5 minutes? nbsmom May 2017 #23
No offense but he's only got 200 posts less than you. emulatorloo May 2017 #29
All that proves is that the poster has time nbsmom May 2017 #41
It's typical for people like Klein. wyldwolf May 2017 #32
And those like Klein who do all they can to assist the Repubs in dividing & destroying the Dems mhw May 2017 #36
To win loyalsister May 2017 #13
Exactly. Republicans were rewarded for their egregious behavior nbsmom May 2017 #17
Some Dems choose not to counter the rigged economy once they get into office. OrwellwasRight May 2017 #61
Basically yes. Kentonio May 2017 #19
Friendly FYI, you're misusing the term 'new left.' wyldwolf May 2017 #27
Thanks, I should be more careful with my terminology. Kentonio May 2017 #31
Yes WellDarn May 2017 #58
Neoliberalism will net you neonothing. democratisphere May 2017 #15
What I think Naomi was talking about nbsmom May 2017 #20
Which is why... wyldwolf May 2017 #30
This is nonsense mcar May 2017 #35
Its nothing more than a hit piece on the Dem Party. mhw May 2017 #37
Thanks for nothing Naomi Klein. LenaBaby61 May 2017 #63
Righteous rant LenaBaby61. Thank you. mhw May 2017 #73
Naomi Klein is a meanie. QC May 2017 #65
Great article. LWolf May 2017 #38
Right? Not meant to pile on or litigate nbsmom May 2017 #43
She is a Canadian you know...and people on this board do not disparge Dems... Demsrule86 May 2017 #46
Perhaps those people aren't real into the whole reading books thing. QC May 2017 #66
Neoliberalism/Republican/neoconservative Dem2 May 2017 #39
This is just how dumb Naomi Klein is. Jakes Progress May 2017 #40
This should be an OP- thank you! bettyellen May 2017 #47
Supreme Court Striking Down Voting Rights was a HUGE thing JI7 May 2017 #71
Stop trying to make "neoliberalism" happen. It's not going to happen. betsuni May 2017 #42
That's because Neoliberalism has already happened. nbsmom May 2017 #48
Exactly, it's already happened, past. It is 2017. betsuni May 2017 #83
This is a very old article ....why would you post this...and Democrats do not embrace neoliberalism Demsrule86 May 2017 #44
Ahem...Hillary got 3mil+ more votes. nt justiceischeap May 2017 #45
SHE PROBABLY WON OUTRIGHT. nbsmom May 2017 #50
What many Dems on DU seem to forget is that there are other Dems justiceischeap May 2017 #56
The flaw with neoliberalism as put into practice is that there was no Volaris May 2017 #49
Neoliberalism is Repuke neocon theory 30 years of econ. failure. Greybnk48 May 2017 #51
Doesn't mean that it hasn't been practiced faithfully in the U.S. and elsewhere. nbsmom May 2017 #57
"liberal" means something entirely different in Britain, QC May 2017 #67
Consider when it began, in the 1970s... JHB May 2017 #53
Thanks Dem2 May 2017 #55
Thanks. nbsmom May 2017 #60
I don't believe it's true WellDarn May 2017 #54
Same reason Willie Sutton robbed banks--that's where the money is. QC May 2017 #64
Because Americans got greedy. Dawson Leery May 2017 #68
Neoliberalism seems to be a floating term. Quayblue May 2017 #69
Maybe the same message, without the polarizing labels? nbsmom May 2017 #70
I don't like the term either, but Neoliberalism long predates 2016. QC May 2017 #72
I dunno, why do liberal extremist opinion writers make up bullshit about "neoliberalism"? Foamfollower May 2017 #74
What fucking horseshit jpak May 2017 #78
It was seen as the way to win. alarimer May 2017 #79
Good article, thank you nbsmom May 2017 #80
Hillary isn't a neoliberal. Bill may have been, but that was after pnwmom May 2017 #81
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