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In reply to the discussion: Why have Democrats embraced neoliberalism, anyway? [View all]LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)She's probably of the "Bernie with his popularity and huge favorables would have beaten trump easily" crowd (West, Sarandon, Jimmy Dore etc.) but who for whatever reason don't ever think that the SAME voter-suppression, voter-crosschecking, voter-purging tactics where MILLIONS of Dems were purged from voting rolls in *key* states like MI, WI., PA, AZ. NC. that tRump HAD to win to come from behind to win the presidency would have been flung onto Bernie also (And who knows what happens in Ohio and Florida since 2004 and 2000 respectfully as far as voter suppression is concerned with Dems). You seemingly can't reason with them on the voter-suppression issue. Not to mention, Bernie would have gotten more scrutiny, those favorables would have been driven down the more that lies were thrown at him, his wife's situation with the college drummed up, and that alleged 3 inch thick dossier trotted out @ him with tRumputin repeating ad nausea what was in there, and Bernie would have gotten little air time to counter the lies and twisting of what he said about various issues and ideas he held when a much younger person/man and about various parts of his personal life etc. Whipping tRumputin's ass on a debate stage 3 times wouldn't have helped Bernie either (Hillary who wiped the floor with tRumputin but uh), because we know tRumputin was given tons of free air time ($2 Billion dollars worth) to spew without being fact-checked on many an occasion courtesy of most in the so-called "liberal media," and over at CNN he was given quite a bit of air time to ramble on and on, and Les Moonves said that while he personally thought that tRumputin was a train wreck and wrong for country, he brings in huge ratings (Big ad buys). Yep he gave good face thanks to his train-wreck, racist, crazy pressers, and monkey holding a grenade and threatening to pull the pen persona etc., and folks who loved him and who hated him watched that fascist, dumb clown and ate it up.
But back to voter suppression, Bernie would have "enjoyed" all of this too just like Hillary did:
Crosscheck Removed 450K Voters in MI, 270 K in AZ and 590 K in NC!!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/14/1599330/-Crosscheck-Removed-450K-Voters-in-MI-270-K-in-AZ-and-590-K-in-NC
This tactic would have been done to Pres. Obama if he were running in 2016 as Sen. Obama. Hell, NO Dem had a chance to win the 2016 General Election. And before says Bernie/Sen. Obama would have bought out more folks than Hillary to vote, that would have only meant that thuglicans would have adjusted their voter-suppression tactics to larger numbers IE: MORE voter-purging, MORE voter-crosschecking, MORE voter-suppression. thuglicans not only had voter-suppression humming on all cylinders mostly in 2016 but also KNOWINGLY had/enlisted the "help" of russia who meddled (And whose still meddles per Clint Watts and now Clapper) into our elections. I mean, tRumputin, Flynn, Kushner other thuglicans who knew what was happening are guilty of various forms of treason and collusion, but winning all of the branches of power mean more to them than country. Ryan, McConnell and others like them love and of course embrace Kleptocracy and voter-suppression, and we see per document dump starting last week from a Dem Scott Dworkin, that McConnell was receiving BIG monies from a group(s) connected to putin et al. We know that Ryan got himself some $$$$/help out of the deal also where voter-suppression, ruskie cyber-hacking tactics in WI. with thoughts down the road of course of securing those state houses which will give them and the Koch Bros access to changing the Constitution which is on their big thuglican screw this country's bucket list, and if we think things are bad now, just what'll happen if we have our Constitution amended giving us a one-party rule (thuglicans) where white, wealthy males turn this whole country into what they have over in russia--a Kleptocracy--and where those who protest/go against the government are at the very least arrested & jailed (Per tRumputin's own words allegedly to Comey), and at the very worst silenced forever: murdered/killed (putin).
WHAT in hell happens in 2018 and 2020 with voter-suppression on mega doses of 'roids when thuglicans go looking for those State Houses they need to get their treasonous, nasty, filthy hands on the Constitution? How will Dems counter ruskie hacking/meddling (Which we know tRumputin loves and will invite--he has no choice given the fact that he owes putin etc. so much for his WH installment)--even at the expense of and on the backs of those tRumpanzees who blindly, ignorantly and in massive fits of racism/hatred of minorities/Pres. Obama voted for him? We know top cop beauguard is in tight with tRumputin and has a few ruskie ties as well, and we also know that he's a racist little prick who doesn't want Dems (especially minority Dems) to be able to vote. We for sure know tRump's on board with the ruskies, know that pence is a rotten, right-winged, religious liar right there with them too in that he KNEW what Flynn was doing with the ruskies. McConnell and Ryan--all in bed with the ruskies too in one way or another, and even thuglicans who may disagree with the treasonous aspects of tRumputin's presidency aren't saying much as they either put party before country, or, are scared that they'll be the subject of blackmail by putin/russia themselves, because what's clear also is that even though the ruskies hacked and leaked Dem emails/materials, we know they got something on thuglicans also, and who knows what blackmail info they have on them?
I know investigations into tRumputin and russia are on-going and moving fast in some cases which is GREAT, but all of these investigations will take time because there's SO much to investigate properly and get right on the record if indictments/prosecutions are coming eventually and as far as those investigations go I'd be lying if I said I felt secure about their outcomes, especially given the fact that thuglicans are STILL in power over most investigative committees. Muller is said to be an extremely intelligent, thorough, straight-shooter, so we'll see where Special Counsel Muller takes us on this long journey on his end, so there's that. But for those of us dealing with and living and dealing with this REALLY hideous movie are I'm sure still hopeful but truthfully admittedly scared shitess, and especially so as the 2018 mid-terms approach under a tRumputin DOJ HEAVILY influenced by putin, the mastermind and man behind the curtain holding tRumps puppet strings with tons of blackmail ready to go if tRumputin doesn't do what putin wants him to do, and if those things weren't already enough, we have a man installed in the White House as president who we see with the remaining mental capacity he has left, is growing more paranoid, is starting up again with the tweet-storming which can't be controlled, he's blocking folks on twitter and lashing out like a hungry and very GUILTY AS HELL caged animal while at the same time, his health physically is getting worse (Gaining weight as an older person/bad diet habits), and we don't have to be doctors to SEE with our own eyes that through his actions/jumbled thought process and verbiage that he's suffering some type of NOTICEABLE mental decline/mental slippage daily, and who knows what'll happen with that unstable situation as the days, weeks play out.