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JCanete

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207. He definitely has some blind spots, but libertarianism is something entirely different. Without

Tue Jun 6, 2017, 04:18 PM

Jun 2017

defending Maher here, I don't think we should just use any term we have distaste for to define somebody when we disagree with him. Libertarians don't believe in Federal programs. Libertarians barely or don't at all, believe in taxation. They believe in smaller and smaller government and in government staying out of ALL of our business. That is libertarianism at its core, and I'm not sure how it applies.

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Liberal apologists of bill maher need to think long and hard [View all] La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 OP

This season I lost interest in his show completely eleny Jun 2017 #1

I agree with eleny katmondoo Jun 2017 #28

Too nasty and extreme for me a long time ago. Hortensis Jun 2017 #149

Nobody's bad opinions, absent bad actions, "bother me" Loki Liesmith Jun 2017 #2

Lol ok. It's also convenient that his bad opinions don't hurt you or yours La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #3

Exactly. Not in my backyard thinking. nt jrthin Jun 2017 #22

More like doesn't affect me, he's funny, why are you ppl making it hard for me to have all the La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #25

Yeah, I'm seeing "me me me" in all the replies defending Maher. WTF. bettyellen Jun 2017 #45

You don't get how OTHER people can be bothered by slurs used by political pundits? bettyellen Jun 2017 #94

Bill Maher is the farthest thing imaginable from racist and sexist. Goodheart Jun 2017 #4

Are you a woman? Are you a person of color? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #5

Neither. Goodheart Jun 2017 #7

Lol no, but I really like how self assured you are when you lecture La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author redgreenandblue Jun 2017 #52

Bwahahaha! "Lived experiences are overrated!" Please proceed! Squinch Jun 2017 #55

You either have to be affected OR you have to have empathy. pnwmom Jun 2017 #81

Lived experiences are overrated!?!?!?! Oh my, I just can't lunamagica Jun 2017 #151

Clearly you need a white dude to explain this to you Orrex Jun 2017 #192

You were being lectured to? WoonTars Jun 2017 #209

No, but they are much better at recognizing what you don't seem to be seeing. nt JTFrog Jun 2017 #38

This explains why you are so oblivious to the offensiveness pnwmom Jun 2017 #79

That's the general idea Major Nikon Jun 2017 #133

Maher does have his moments will all three aspects brought up, but not on his Malcolm X reference. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2017 #34

What an uninformed post. JTFrog Jun 2017 #40

To some simply being a feminist qualifies someone as far left. NCTraveler Jun 2017 #48

Perhaps people just can't handle your opinion and you are having a hard time telling the difference. Squinch Jun 2017 #56

You are incorrect. brer cat Jun 2017 #96

+1 lunamagica Jun 2017 #152

Re islamophobia: I don't fear islam or christianity. I'm very wary of a few muslims & christians. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #46

Goodheart, Maher's religious bigotry is HUGE red flag. Hortensis Jun 2017 #153

Having a literary degree, I see the Malcolm X reference and accept the nuanced use of the word. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #6

Context is everything. Goodheart Jun 2017 #9

Lol maher could have made his point without using the word La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #14

lol, There's a lot of things could of and should of. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #19

He could have pushed back without using the n word La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #21

He could have. He chose not to, and that was his call, as he knows this guy better than I do. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #24

Lol. Not really. WoonTars Jun 2017 #210

Lol. Not really. nt JTFrog Jun 2017 #211

Lol. Yes really. mt WoonTars Jun 2017 #213

So that's what's missing. kcr Jun 2017 #54

Yes. His bigotry is so nuanced that people deny it when it is right in their faces! It's amazing! Squinch Jun 2017 #57

Well, if you were familiar with Malcolm X, you would have picked up on it immediately. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #127

You're a Bill Mahar fan, that's for sure n/t kcr Jun 2017 #130

Look at post #12. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #135

Bill Mahar defender? Same thing. kcr Jun 2017 #138

JFC. Whatever. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #139

Is there a place in this country defacto7 Jun 2017 #146

This sub-thread has truly been enlightening. kcr Jun 2017 #148

Maher's making a joke about slavery was inappropriate pnwmom Jun 2017 #82

Once again. Reflect a little. TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #131

Back at you. And, by the way, Maher apologized. pnwmom Jun 2017 #142

I'd take these complaints more seriously if it included condemnation of Sasse Blue_Adept Jun 2017 #8

Apparently there's no possibly way Maher could have made his point without using the term. The WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #10

Yup! One min you rail Against identity politics next minute La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #15

If he's racist, they'd have to examine their support of what he says. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #17

Yeah, that part of the election was interesting from Maher Saviolo Jun 2017 #200

1. Agree about the "N" word. 2. Am really OVER this new cause of "co-opting" or "cultural WinkyDink Jun 2017 #11

"we comprise a stew of disparate elements" loyalsister Jun 2017 #128

I could never use the word... defacto7 Jun 2017 #188

It wasn't just the word loyalsister Jun 2017 #189

There's a long list of strong women and blacks who regularly appear on that show BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #16

Are they running around right now excusing his use of the n word? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #18

No, but my guess is they won't be calling him a racist for it either BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #23

Maher's use of the n word was not racist Goodheart Jun 2017 #26

Malcolm X didn't use it to get a laugh loyalsister Jun 2017 #107

I'm not impressed with your non sequiturs, sorry. Goodheart Jun 2017 #116

Ah the old deferential cheap jokes! Yeah, not buying that. bettyellen Jun 2017 #187

Wait. So, because he talks to strong women and blacks he can't be a bigot? I'm lost. Squinch Jun 2017 #60

The OP says if you support Bill Maher you're a bigot BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #62

No, not really. The guy used a racist slur. That is racist. Hence the name. The fact that he has Squinch Jun 2017 #64

That's almost articulate BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #71

He used a racist slur. That is racist. Hence the name. So that makes people who go Squinch Jun 2017 #74

Thanks for clarifying BeyondGeography Jun 2017 #75

I need to call out everyone who speaks to a bigot? My cousin is a bigot. I call HER out Squinch Jun 2017 #80

I'm glad you recognize... tonedevil Jun 2017 #160

She didn't say that- why do people keep lying about this? bettyellen Jun 2017 #186

Apparently. Quayblue Jun 2017 #65

Lots of strong intelligent people have denounced the joke. bettyellen Jun 2017 #185

I don't think he is islamaphobic Buckeyeblue Jun 2017 #20

Belligerent atheism HopeAgain Jun 2017 #30

I think Maher is a person willing to learn. He makes mistakes. He is a big boy. Madam45for2923 Jun 2017 #27

I was watching the show--Live--last night when he said it. mnhtnbb Jun 2017 #29

Amen fuck Ben Sasse IADEMO2004 Jun 2017 #32

I agree with you...Bill Maher dates women of color too.. HipChick Jun 2017 #36

Are you really going to go with "some of his best friends" or more accurately sex partners? bettyellen Jun 2017 #43

So your defense of him is that he has some black friends? Really? stevenleser Jun 2017 #44

you must not be a POC HipChick Jun 2017 #61

I am POC, are you? I can believe anyone of any ethnicity, gender, religion or orientation stevenleser Jun 2017 #72

You already stated you abhor BM.. HipChick Jun 2017 #77

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #90

Aaaaaannnd now you sink to the lowest level of discourse, the ad hominem. Squinch Jun 2017 #92

Not my first encounter with the person in question, which had nothing to do with you. GBizzle Jun 2017 #95

LOL! You're such a peach! Were you aware that this is a public forum? Squinch Jun 2017 #97

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #99

And another ad hominem attack! You're on a roll! Squinch Jun 2017 #100

When did I say this specifically applies to you? I didn't. You fail again. GBizzle Jun 2017 #102

Oh, you're so CLEVER! Squinch Jun 2017 #104

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #108

ANOTHER ad hominem! It's a trifecta! Squinch Jun 2017 #112

Can you play any other tunes? All you're contributing is noise, nothing of substance. GBizzle Jun 2017 #118

FOUR! Squinch Jun 2017 #121

I think they were looking for JPR and got lost at Albuquerque. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #134

That must be it... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #169

+1.... George II Jun 2017 #161

Ooops sheshe2 Jun 2017 #167

yes... Squinch Jun 2017 #168

They sure do... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #170

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the cave today. Squinch Jun 2017 #171

... sheshe2 Jun 2017 #172

Gee, why did you need a new handle with all this making friends and influencing people? stevenleser Jun 2017 #132

It's definitely our first encounter. At least in this new incarnation of yours. Who were you before? stevenleser Jun 2017 #125

Thanks....so a non-Black person with faux outrage... HipChick Jun 2017 #98

And a frequent FOX and RT guest, at that. GBizzle Jun 2017 #101

I find people who use ad-hominem's boring, reductive and overdone ones like yours even more so. stevenleser Jun 2017 #129

You should watch some of his appearances on Fox, brings some liberal/progressive perspective.... George II Jun 2017 #162

I think that Steven has to have a lot of guts to do that. Walking into the lions den. I couldn't Squinch Jun 2017 #164

Hey Steve pushes back hard on wingnuts on Fox emulatorloo Jun 2017 #191

None of these folks are honest. Anytime I get this criticism it's always stevenleser Jun 2017 #197

By all means, we have an African American forum. See how well your opinion plays there. stevenleser Jun 2017 #137

I don't look to others to justify my opinion HipChick Jun 2017 #145

Sure you do, otherwise you wouldn't have asked me about my ethnicity stevenleser Jun 2017 #150

The important thing is we continue to rationalize bigoted sentiments LanternWaste Jun 2017 #190

My husband's Jewish, HipChick, and we live in the South, Hortensis Jun 2017 #155

Yeah, they live it on a daily basis. Like when they hear white people make slavery jokes pnwmom Jun 2017 #173

Those who bitch about PC are those who wish the n-word can be used in polite company... Humanist_Activist Jun 2017 #53

And there you have it. stevenleser Jun 2017 #136

Thanks for the Gaiman quote! nt pnwmom Jun 2017 #174

Agree with you lioness. apcalc Jun 2017 #31

Right. First and formost Bill Maher is an asshole. Salviati Jun 2017 #106

Thought about it. Inkfreak Jun 2017 #33

Shocking. nt JTFrog Jun 2017 #41

Lol La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #49

Boring. Inkfreak Jun 2017 #163

Or his antivaccination hysteria, although he's toned that one down Warpy Jun 2017 #35

As a woman MFM008 Jun 2017 #37

He's not a liberal. He's a fucking libertarian. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #39

Yep! I don't know why Liberals are rushing to defend him. PBass Jun 2017 #195

He definitely has some blind spots, but libertarianism is something entirely different. Without JCanete Jun 2017 #207

He has called himself a libertarian. Jakes Progress Jun 2017 #214

I've always had a problem with him because of his bigotry. He's often right about other stuff but stevenleser Jun 2017 #42

K+R. nt m-lekktor Jun 2017 #47

I agree completely nini Jun 2017 #50

Back in the early 90's when he had Politically Incorrect on tv.. vi5 Jun 2017 #51

Would be cool to pick random DU'ers and put them under the spotlight snooper2 Jun 2017 #58

Never said the n word is a low bar, that most of us could cross La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #63

Have you done any of those things in the context of your job? If so, were there consequences? Squinch Jun 2017 #84

How many random DUer's have a national show with potential to influence and normalize bigotry? nt JTFrog Jun 2017 #110

I heard someone make that argument in defense of 45 loyalsister Jun 2017 #124

He's not under the spotlight. This is what he said on air, not in his private life. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #198

K+R. SaschaHM Jun 2017 #59

Cornell West, Michael Eric Dyson, Larry Wilmore, Kerry Washington, Chris Rock -all FREQUENT guests MrPurple Jun 2017 #66

+1 GBizzle Jun 2017 #70

With a few exceptions like when he used the n word La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #86

Yes, some of his best friends are Black NastyRiffraff Jun 2017 #177

Hundreds of hours of nuanced discussions about race MrPurple Jun 2017 #180

Translation: "Agree with me, or I'll call you a racist." GBizzle Jun 2017 #67

No. The correct translation is: "Use racist slurs and I'll call you a racist." See the difference? Squinch Jun 2017 #69

Actually, the REAL translation is "I don't know what the word 'CONTEXT' means" GBizzle Jun 2017 #73

Some people DO tolerate racist slurs if the person using the slur gives some dumb-ass Squinch Jun 2017 #78

And some people don't care how the slur was used, only that it was said at all. GBizzle Jun 2017 #83

Using racist slurs (or arguing vociferously that it is acceptable to use racist slurs) is racist. Squinch Jun 2017 #89

Post removed Post removed Jun 2017 #91

Not facts - spike lee, chance and others have denounced the joke. bettyellen Jun 2017 #182

"But that does nothing to change the fact that the person used a racist slur. " Goodheart Jun 2017 #109

Ah, the secret language of the racist slurs that only the initiated can hear! Squinch Jun 2017 #111

Just language. It's more difficult for some than others, granted. Goodheart Jun 2017 #114

Oh, Lord. You really said that. Squinch Jun 2017 #115

Funny, that's what I feel like saying after reading each comment of yours. GBizzle Jun 2017 #119

Yep... correctly and unapologetically, too. Goodheart Jun 2017 #120

Oh please tweet this out and send us the link, LOL. bettyellen Jun 2017 #183

lol yeah. Hide behind carlin. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #87

Right? SaschaHM Jun 2017 #88

Would you prefer Richard Pryor instead? GBizzle Jun 2017 #93

Pryor final stance on the subject was that he denounced use of the word stevenleser Jun 2017 #157

He's being compared to Malcom X again .... bettyellen Jun 2017 #184

Pissing On Allies ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #68

Lol. He's not an ally and neither are his apologists. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2017 #85

An Expected Reply ProfessorGAC Jun 2017 #105

Bill Maher is absolutely an ally Awsi Dooger Jun 2017 #117

Maher is just one more reason my television is a movie player. That's all it does. hunter Jun 2017 #76

If you want examples of our culture's increasing coarseness democrank Jun 2017 #103

Oh Christ! Now we're going to try and get Maher fired too???? This is why democrats suck! beaglelover Jun 2017 #113

Are YOU trying to get Maher fired? Because no one said anything about getting Maher fired. Squinch Jun 2017 #166

I completely agree Mike B Jun 2017 #122

Do people honestly thing that "defending Maher and house n*gger" brings in enough votes... SaschaHM Jun 2017 #123

This "appeal to the rust belt white man!" and "let Maher use racial slurs!" wing of the party does Squinch Jun 2017 #175

Watching Wil Wheaton complain about white voters is kind of amusing. Shandris Jun 2017 #126

LOL! Even Bill Maher finds Bill Maher's use of the racial slur unacceptable! Squinch Jun 2017 #140

Better question for you: is his apology racist, too? Goodheart Jun 2017 #141

Use of racist slurs is racist. Hence the name. Squinch Jun 2017 #143

You didn't answer my question. Goodheart Jun 2017 #144

I understand the fact that the use of racist slurs is racist is very difficult for some Squinch Jun 2017 #147

He's a self absorbed coward and racist. kristopher Jun 2017 #154

I don't need to think long and hard about this at all NobodyHere Jun 2017 #156

If you are against Maher over this, I'm against you. gulliver Jun 2017 #158

Well, yes. Anyone who wants to "lynch" Maher would be wrong. But no one wants to. Squinch Jun 2017 #165

Sometimes he's wrong. Sometimes he's very wrong. There are a lot of ways to be wrong though, and JCanete Jun 2017 #159

I won't evict him from my foxhole tirebiter Jun 2017 #176

He has clearly been a sexist pig, among his other bigotry ismnotwasm Jun 2017 #178

I dont think Maher is a racist, but he says some offensive stuff. nt LexVegas Jun 2017 #179

Much ado about very little Orcrist Jun 2017 #181

being mad at a guy who tries to say offensive things for a living is an interesting activity. TeamPooka Jun 2017 #193

"You may have your own problems with these issues. " NCTraveler Jun 2017 #194

Too much man splaining on that show for my taste TNLib Jun 2017 #196

I've loathed him for years Starry Messenger Jun 2017 #199

So what method of execution should we use? MindPilot Jun 2017 #201

Logical fallacies don't make your point. nt stevenleser Jun 2017 #203

"Real liberals go to a third party" and others have purity tests? What? bettyellen Jun 2017 #204

A couple thoughts for you GitRDun Jun 2017 #202

I like Bill Maher. You can;t please everyone, especially here on Democratilc Underground. demosincebirth Jun 2017 #205

I'm giving it some thought right now. Give me a sec... BannonsLiver Jun 2017 #206

He can be extremely funny.. WoonTars Jun 2017 #208

We all have Sacred Cows we defend with an irrational purpose. LanternWaste Jun 2017 #212