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d_r

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38. yeah

Tue Aug 15, 2017, 10:10 AM

Aug 2017

Tarriffs on cotton picked by slaves
states rights to allow slavery
culture war against slavery
northern oppression against slavery
free market to sell slaves and cotton

Got it? Slavery was only the tip of the ice burg.

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The Civil War was not about slavery [View all] itsrobert Aug 2017 OP

this bullshit has been around a long time....states rights to own people.... spanone Aug 2017 #1

State's rights to maintain SLAVERY hlthe2b Aug 2017 #2

Willful ignorance on the part of the alt-right, or just the right in general. bullwinkle428 Aug 2017 #3

This. They choose to disconnect the two because otherwise mythology Aug 2017 #15

Tell them to read the fricking Confederate constitution mcar Aug 2017 #4

Or the individual states Articles of Succession... Raster Aug 2017 #7

That's right mcar Aug 2017 #8

Also the declarations of seccession of many of those states state clearly that they are... brush Aug 2017 #41

They sure didn't hide their motivations mcar Aug 2017 #72

That bullshit --and it is bullshit-- comes from those attempting to WHITE-wash history... Raster Aug 2017 #5

They have been teaching that in the South edhopper Aug 2017 #6

Not just the south El Mimbreno Aug 2017 #32

Fortunately, you've held onto the attitude! PJMcK Aug 2017 #51

From a northern city as well, I still remember the question on the test, Canoe52 Aug 2017 #46

okay edhopper Aug 2017 #75

Yep ExciteBike66 Aug 2017 #9

Double Yep.. mitch96 Aug 2017 #29

Yeah, the Confederate leadership were hypocritical assholes of the highest order. cemaphonic Aug 2017 #76

It was totally about slavery workinclasszero Aug 2017 #10

Tell these idiots to read each state's secession speech. Lars39 Aug 2017 #11

I have heard that crap my whole life get the red out Aug 2017 #12

What was it about then? syringis Aug 2017 #13

Of course it was about slavery... whathehell Aug 2017 #14

Southern white kids learn that bullshit on their parents' knees. Paladin Aug 2017 #16

I ran into that strange excuse for BootinUp Aug 2017 #17

Would there have been a war without slavery? FLPanhandle Aug 2017 #18

All the resolutions of secession mention the necessity of slavery to the southern way of life. muntrv Aug 2017 #19

Yes it was. atreides1 Aug 2017 #20

Very interesting.. Thanks for posting! whathehell Aug 2017 #24

Case closed! workinclasszero Aug 2017 #26

Done !!! uponit7771 Aug 2017 #53

I am not big on Prager University marylandblue Aug 2017 #69

Oh, brother. Outbreak was over whether slavery would be legal Hortensis Aug 2017 #21

Anyone ever heard of the "War of Northern Aggression"? whathehell Aug 2017 #22

It was hurple Aug 2017 #23

I've run into that BS for years. I usually tell them to read the first two paragraph's of Hoyt Aug 2017 #25

It was about preserving the Union. The Union would not need preserving if the states patricia92243 Aug 2017 #27

PLease point them to the Cornerstone Speech. I keep this quote on hand. Adrahil Aug 2017 #28

They teach this in schools in the south SHRED Aug 2017 #30

This is what I was taught in 1948-49 in the 8th grade. In Texas, of course. Thirties Child Aug 2017 #31

One of my husband's nephews--who lives in Georgia--posted this on his fb page not long ago mnhtnbb Aug 2017 #33

Maybe you can call him "General Embarrassment" Orrex Aug 2017 #35

yeah d_r Aug 2017 #38

Wait, how can one put "slavery" and "free market" in the same thing? ck4829 Aug 2017 #44

It's the same type of irrational logic that defends religious rights mnhtnbb Aug 2017 #58

The Cornerstone Speech blows that lie out of the water Orrex Aug 2017 #34

the other argument is that it was about economics d_r Aug 2017 #36

Much of the financing for southern purchase of slaves came from the northern financiers flyingfysh Aug 2017 #39

The tarriffs of the 1850s d_r Aug 2017 #42

southern cotton was the cheapest in the world flyingfysh Aug 2017 #43

I'm saying what I've heard people say nt d_r Aug 2017 #45

like this link d_r Aug 2017 #47

It was a different kind of slavery Lithos Aug 2017 #74

That's what I was taught in schools growing up in Ohio. JoeStuckInOH Aug 2017 #64

People only need to read the secessionists' own words flyingfysh Aug 2017 #37

States' rights? Yeah, sure. During the Civil War, Georgia had SWBTATTReg Aug 2017 #40

I don't think I have ever heard the "States Rights" issue used... Wounded Bear Aug 2017 #48

Just today, someone told me it was because the North blocked Southern cotton exports to England muriel_volestrangler Aug 2017 #49

The causes are many. It is a mistake to try to boil everything down to 1 cause. TexasProgresive Aug 2017 #50

I was in junior high school when the Civil War Centennial rolled around. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2017 #52

You mean The War of Northern Agression? nolabear Aug 2017 #54

That's what the previous President of NRA called the war -- Big Jim Porter, a white wing Hoyt Aug 2017 #84

As a Southerner (many generations..) TBA Aug 2017 #55

Richmond has a large Civil War museum. mn9driver Aug 2017 #56

Twas about slavery in their own words: yowzayowzayowza Aug 2017 #57

I thought for a long time it was about slavery, but as I got older I realized that it was LiberalArkie Aug 2017 #59

Look at the southern states own declarations of secession CanonRay Aug 2017 #60

Lee's of Virginia DeminPennswoods Aug 2017 #61

They should read the statements from the states as to why they seceded JonLP24 Aug 2017 #62

The Civil War was about SC Not Ruth Aug 2017 #63

If you wonder what I mean about out of hand, these are the numbers Not Ruth Aug 2017 #66

I understand why people want to forget it, it was horrible, I would ban any memorial to war Not Ruth Aug 2017 #67

SC was a diehard slavery state Not Ruth Aug 2017 #70

I took a course about the Civil War in College HopeAgain Aug 2017 #65

Wow just wow Lotusflower70 Aug 2017 #68

They didn't give a shit about "state's rights" when it came to the Fugitive Slave Law... First Speaker Aug 2017 #71

The Fugitive Slave Laws is one of the strongest arguments against the "states rights" theory cemaphonic Aug 2017 #80

Yes, good point. n/t whathehell Aug 2017 #86

Yes/No Lithos Aug 2017 #73

First use of propaganda? Really? BootinUp Aug 2017 #77

Modern use of propaganda, yes Lithos Aug 2017 #78

Oddly enough, each state's Articles of Secession mentioned slavery as a relevant motivation LanternWaste Aug 2017 #82

There is a distinction Lithos Aug 2017 #83

The "economic" talking point is both trivially obvious and insidiously misleading Azathoth Aug 2017 #79

+1 BootinUp Aug 2017 #81

if the state says it folks believe it...russians still don't think we landed on the moon dembotoz Aug 2017 #85