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happyslug

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39. The Persian Gulf is tiny, boats can get close enough by justing be in the Gulf
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 03:28 PM
Feb 2015

The Iranian Island of Qeshm is only 56 km (35 mi) from the United Arab Emirates on the South Bank of the Persian Gulf. Maximum depth of 90 meters and an average depth of 50 meters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qeshm

Iran has the most small islands in the Gulf:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_in_the_Persian_Gulf

The gulf itself is generally less then 120 miles from shore to shore, through in one spot is it over 200 miles from shore to shore. The problem is from an attacking speed boat point of view if the attacks occurs in the Straits of Hormuz, they generally only have to travel 15-20 miles. In that 15-20 miles the US force has to detect the Speed boats and then determine if they are peaceful or hostile and take action. Given that the Population on BOTH Sides of the Persian Gulf is Shiite and thus tend to support Iran (The Governments are Sunni and support Saudi Arabia and the US, but the people is a different story), it is possible for those gun boats to attack from BOTH sides of the Gulf.

On top of this is the Gulf is rich in fishing and transporting other goods. Thus you have a lot of Dhows sailing up and down both coasts and between both coasts all the time. Each dhow could be carrying a missile. Do you blast all of them? and get everyone in the Gulf mad at you, or do you just keep them away from the US Ships, but in a way they can still do the fishing and trading they have always done?

In one war game before the Invasion of Iraq, the Generals in Charge of "Defending" Iraq in that war, just armed dhols and sailed them all around the gulf. They armed hundreds of the Dhows, and sent other that were unarmed just to further confused the Carriers and their escorts and it so confused the Carriers and their Escorts that when the attack came, we "lost" all four Carriers in that war game.

That war game was one of reasons the US did all it could to keep Iran Neutral in that conflict. Iraq could not actually do such a maneuver (and Saddam Hussein did not have the support of the Shiite Fishermen of Southern Iraq to pull off such a maneuver himself). Iran and they close ally, post invasion Iraq. can do such an maneuver.

Thus the better plan for the US would be to keep the Carriers out in the Arabian Sea, till the US can secure the Persian Gulf and only then sent the Carriers into the Gulf. Tehran may be out of reach of US Carrier launched planes, but most of the Persian Gulf would NOT be. The could sent in the Gator Navy and see what the Iranians do. THE Gator Navy can then secure the southern coast of Iran (Launching some marines here and there, with air strikes from the Carriers on hiding spots for speed boats ad dhols.

In the Persian Gulf, if the Carrier and its escorts come under a combined Air, Land lunched missiles, speed boat launched missile and Dhow launched missiles, we could lose the whole fleet.

Now the real question can the Iranian do such an multifunctional attack? I do not know.

In 2005 the US Navy decided to sink the USS America while testing missiles and other methods to sink a Carrier. How those tests went would be a better idea then this sinking. Hopefully no one sold the results to the Russians (Who then turned them over to China and Iran). I bring it up for if the Iranians duplicated what the US did to the USS America it would be interesting. All ships can be sunk, the real issue is how much punishment and of what type would sink one.

Sinking of the USS America (NO jokes about the US Navy sinking America):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_America_%28CV-66%29

Well, that cleaned out the plywood budget... Archae Feb 2015 #1
Gentlemen, we cannot allow a plywood gap jberryhill Feb 2015 #5
LOL. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #26
Here ya go: winstars Feb 2015 #34
they didn't have enough for the models of the other ships that are in a carrier battle group either Baclava Feb 2015 #14
Military officials could be heard shouting "praise the lord" each time the replica was hit. bananas Feb 2015 #2
Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution bananas Feb 2015 #3
Missed opportunity for the Seabees to sneak in the night before and install a real CIWS AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #9
If only all wars... ReRe Feb 2015 #4
Shades of Lieutenant General Van Riper and Millennium Challenge 2002 Brother Buzz Feb 2015 #6
Should I be frightened? Change has come Feb 2015 #7
Only if you're a plywood facade JHB Feb 2015 #10
To paraphrase Bruce Lee Richard D Feb 2015 #8
Poor plywood penndragon69 Feb 2015 #11
We expect them to die. stone space Feb 2015 #28
Take out a carrier, be lucky if you're not nuked Telcontar Feb 2015 #44
Taken out by a carrier. stone space Feb 2015 #47
What a sad, uninformed post Telcontar Feb 2015 #50
Is it a difficult question? stone space Feb 2015 #51
My opinion is nuclear weapons dont equate with genocide Telcontar Feb 2015 #53
And we did it in Japan. (nt) stone space Feb 2015 #54
We did? When? Do the history books know about this? Telcontar Feb 2015 #55
The "shock photos" show which direction the actual violence has gone in. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #60
If so, then a few pics are missing Telcontar Feb 2015 #65
When did Iran strike against the U.S.? JackRiddler Feb 2015 #68
1978 Telcontar Feb 2015 #71
Looks like their own version of 50 Shades of Gray BeyondGeography Feb 2015 #12
Sure, make fun of this, but no civilians on board, unlike the Iranians we blew to smithereens Hissyspit Feb 2015 #13
None of which has anything to do with THIS story. 7962 Feb 2015 #16
The reason for the Iranians' hatred for USA is nowhere to be found in this story, either. Octafish Feb 2015 #18
So democracy is what they have now? 7962 Feb 2015 #49
Great point. ''Compared to the current regime, the SAVAK was the Salvation Army.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #56
We could learn a bit from that. We dont encourage people to go into the trades anymore 7962 Feb 2015 #58
Historical context is always relevant. nt bananas Feb 2015 #32
A Navy ship captain fucked up. Adrahil Feb 2015 #19
I didn't say that that was a reason to celebrate. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #37
It's not an "attack" of any kind. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #62
Also, "a Navy ship captain fucked up" explains nothing. JackRiddler Feb 2015 #63
needs work to achieve production values of "amurican sniper" dembotoz Feb 2015 #15
Yep. hunter Feb 2015 #25
Absolutely! ronnie624 Feb 2015 #31
We are the Empire Telcontar Feb 2015 #45
My post didn't indicate ronnie624 Feb 2015 #59
Pointless propaganda. blackspade Feb 2015 #17
LOL @t anyone who takes the Iranian military seriously GOLGO 13 Feb 2015 #20
Those 12 speedboats wouldn't get very close before being blown to paradise. Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2015 #24
The Persian Gulf is tiny, boats can get close enough by justing be in the Gulf happyslug Feb 2015 #39
they are working on it - 'Navy Moves More Patrol Craft to 5th Fleet' Baclava Feb 2015 #42
Thanks, slug, that was very infomative! Elmer S. E. Dump Feb 2015 #46
I'm sure the Iranian people laughed their asses off, too tabasco Feb 2015 #57
Nobody gets close to an aircraft carrier in modern warfare. damyank913 Mar 2015 #72
Thus the carriers stay out of the gulf happyslug Mar 2015 #74
I do remember this. It was called Millennium something or other. damyank913 Mar 2015 #76
I consider it a good thing that they don't start wars cpwm17 Feb 2015 #52
Many US citizens, in their propaganda induced ignorance, ronnie624 Feb 2015 #61
Moving tanks into position. marble falls Feb 2015 #21
Are we sure the Iranian Government didn't tell their people it was real? davidpdx Feb 2015 #22
Good question! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2015 #27
That should impress Turbineguy Feb 2015 #23
Some phony shock and awe, for the rubes daleo Feb 2015 #29
As a repeated victim of a powerful, brutal empire from across the world, ronnie624 Feb 2015 #30
If the plan is to attack the US Navy... damyank913 Feb 2015 #33
Our country produces some truly fearsome weapons ronnie624 Feb 2015 #38
Those would be the smartest Iranian sailors in their entire fleet. GOLGO 13 Feb 2015 #66
It was movie set for the film Airbus, starring Val Kilmer and Oliver Stone's son. Seriously. Xithras Feb 2015 #35
+1 KoKo Feb 2015 #40
if the intent of posting this is to scare us, recall that Iran's military budget is about the same yurbud Feb 2015 #36
I wouldn't laugh too hard just yet. Does anyone remember this US naval exercise? GliderGuider Feb 2015 #41
I remember it, not the details, but I used it above in my post 39, but I did NOT name the exercise. happyslug Feb 2015 #67
+1000 ***This Is A Must Read*** Corey_Baker08 Feb 2015 #70
An Allahwood production seveneyes Feb 2015 #43
It was called "The Interview" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2015 #48
All this tells me is the Iranians haven't discovered the magic of CGI Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #64
Lol, they used mortars on speedboats. Calista241 Feb 2015 #69
Now that was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. stevenleser Mar 2015 #73
All that firepower did not seem to stop the USS Cole from being attacked. former9thward Mar 2015 #75
Because a rowboat with a motor was not seen as a threat. The motor torpedo boats used stevenleser Mar 2015 #77
Always an excuse. former9thward Mar 2015 #78
So are they saying each of our next vehicles should be electric? ffr Mar 2015 #79
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