Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
23. Well, I disagree with you there. The "will of the people" is clearly anti-"austerity."
Wed May 16, 2012, 05:13 AM
May 2012

The parties who put together "austerity" were abandoned by huge numbers of voters.

The voters can't devise a solution, themselves. Millions of people can't really do that. Decisions have to be made, agreements negotiated, agencies of government directed, etc. In this current form of democracy, they need representatives to act on their behalf, in their interest. The voters' mandate, however, was quite clear. They reject "austerity" for the poor majority while the rich few get richer. That is what "austerity" MEANS, in the current context. It is NOT "austerity" for everyone--only for the great majority--the workers and the poor. That is what all the protests were about in Greece. That is what this election was about.

As for the neo-nazis (minuscule support), I think it just indicates fragmentation on the right, that is, among the pro-corporate, pro-bankster, pro-"austerity" political establishment. The far right--or, I guess I should say, the far far right (nazis)--blame troubled economic times on minorities (are racists), are often (at least at this nascent stage) insular--and want to fall back into homogenous groups, in a homogenous society (are "nationalists&quot , with protective policies that include them among the rich and privileged. Some small segment of the Greek population is that fearful about what is happening. A few voters have fallen prey to their fears. I don't think it's very meaningful, as to Greece. We have that here, too, with the "Mad Tea Party"--though, here, we also have "TRADE SECRET" voting machines, all over the USA, in every state, with the code largely (80%) owned and controlled by one, private, far rightwing-connected corporation--ES&S, which bought out Diebold. So, more nazi-like madness gets (s)elected and put into power, here.

OUR situation is quite dangerous. Greece's, not so much. Though they had a fascist dictatorship at one time, I think that they are much like Argentina, with society strongly committed to democracy and the rule of law, in reaction to prior fascist rule. Argentina also went through a debt crisis, one of the worst in the world--and has emerged triumphant, with their democracy in tact and their economy well on the way to recovery and even prosperity, due to strong Leftist leadership, and specifically due to the courage of the Leftist leadership in REJECTING AUSTERITY.

In fact, the parallel is very, very close. It was also IMF (rich investor, bankster) loans with ruinous conditions. Much of Latin America suffered what Greece is suffering now, a decade earlier. Argentina is the best example of it. Like Argentina, Latin America, as a whole, is recovering from that disaster by employing Leftist, "New Deal"-like policies, and are a great example to the Greeks and to us, about what solutions really work.

These are: Re-negotiating or defaulting on egregiously unfair, assaultive, ruinous loans, that were originated by the local rich for the global rich. Government spending. Government job creation. STRONG government regulation of banks and big business. Fair taxation. Big investment in education. Help to small farmers and to other small businesses. Strong support of labor rights. Inclusiveness, public participation, strengthening of democracy. Collective endeavors--like Social Security and Medicare but even better--to insure dignity for the old and the sick. Direct alleviation of poverty. And, economically, putting cash into the hands of "the people" who then create demand for products and services. Basic Keynesian economics. The rich will never solve this problem of a dead (murdered?) economy. The majority (workers and the poor) solve it by BUYING THINGS.

This is why it is so NUTS that our local, state and federal governments are FIRING people--teachers, emergency responders, government health inspectors, secretaries, postal workers, et al. These people BUY THINGS. These people SPEND THEIR MONEY. Their salaries stimulate the economy! FDR even put writers and actors and artists to work on the federal dime, to stimulate the economy.

It's nuts--what our governments are doing and what the EU banksters are demanding of Greece. It is WRONG. It's the wrong economics. Greek voters know this and were able to express it in a legitimate, honest election. WE are the ones who can't do that and who are in the greatest danger of this Great Depression upending our society, and of a "nazi" coup, because, quite frankly, it has already happened, with the Bush Junta, and now the bad guys have direct and complete control of our voting results and can play our system like a piano--giving us an Obama period of "forgetting" of their many crimes (including grand theft on a monstrous scale), while building up utter frauds in governorships and in congress, to to prevent critically needed reform, in the immediate present, and to create a fake "movement" of nazi-like racists and "nationalists" for future (s)elections, as a front for bringing us to our knees, for destroying all labor, environmental and other public benefit regulation, for looting and privatizing everything in sight--everything that the "New Deal" and our people have created since WW II--hijacking our military for more corporate resource wars, and ridding themselves of any government or social responsibility whatsoever.

I don't fear for the Greeks. I fear for us.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

It's time for Greece to do the Iceland thing! Joe Bacon May 2012 #1
No, Iceland was never in the Euro muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #2
exactly and Greece's economy will suffer much more than for it. grantcart May 2012 #3
well, if they can do the mechanics of a new currency, tourism will be a valuable export muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #4
That and Greece's problem is entirely different dmallind May 2012 #5
Fail - Iceland is actually joining the EU hack89 May 2012 #15
Greece is like that deadbeat brother-in-law who wants to keep borrowing more money Nye Bevan May 2012 #6
You're actually defending the IMF banksters on this? backscatter712 May 2012 #7
To be fair, unreadierLizard May 2012 #8
That's certainly an option. Nye Bevan May 2012 #9
I see that as the only way out. backscatter712 May 2012 #10
How doe printing a new currency solve anything? hack89 May 2012 #16
Oh it wont be short term pain imo. cstanleytech May 2012 #12
You do realize cstanleytech May 2012 #11
And ... Nihil May 2012 #21
So why did the EU and european banks write off 75% of the Greek debt hack89 May 2012 #17
"Welsh on that debt!" is a slur. Psephos May 2012 #19
The EU Tight Money Policy is Losing Support Even In Germany AndyTiedye May 2012 #13
Either Russia or the United States will come to Greece's rescue FarCenter May 2012 #14
Greece's Left Leader More Than Just 'Sexy Alexi' FarCenter May 2012 #18
How dare those stubborn Leftists do the will of the people! Peace Patriot May 2012 #20
Beyond punishing the former government hack89 May 2012 #22
Well, I disagree with you there. The "will of the people" is clearly anti-"austerity." Peace Patriot May 2012 #23
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Greece's moderate left sa...»Reply #23