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freshwest

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10. Should be known as the basics. Iran* stoking the fire as usual.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 05:50 PM
Nov 2015

By referencing Iran* I mean the ayatollahs, not Iranians as individuals. Who likely feel greatly put upon by them and the world.

I wonder why did Saddam decide to make war with Iran? Not the geopolitical CTs offered as the end of all thinking processes, but what was really in it for Iraq?

There was a beef between Iraq and Kuwait over oil drilling, pricing, something. I'd like to think Iran's obsession with Israel is not due to a messianic need for a strategic position.

The Daesh insisted that at the dawning of 'The End,' their possession of the Syrian region, Dabiq must be in place for the Final Battle. As quoted here, it's still an uncertain prophecy:

After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth, but Cerantonio suggested its tide may never reach beyond the Bosporus. An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem. Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus the second-most- revered prophet in Islam- will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory.**

“Only God knows” whether the Islamic State’s armies are the ones foretold, Cerantonio said. But he is hopeful. “The Prophet said that one sign of the imminent arrival of the End of Days is that people will for a long while stop talking about the End of Days,” he said. “If you go to the mosques now, you’ll find the preachers are silent about this subject.” On this theory, even setbacks dealt to the Islamic State mean nothing, since God has preordained the near-destruction of his people anyway. The Islamic State has its best and worst days ahead of it.


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/?utm_source=SFTwitter

**HELLO? Jesus is against ___ and kill its hero and then... the mind boggles...

Yet the Daesh has wholesale condemned the majority of Iran, which IIRC, is Shia. IOW, they'll slaughter the Iranians, the Saudis and the Israelis, too. Israel is always on their dessert menu.

Something not quite right about the Iranians, Daesh and the rest of these guys. We are not getting the full picture and it's not because of our media - I suspect it is the language barrier.

So what, other than hunger for land and power, do the groups with their strong obsession with Israel have to do with each other? Is humanity so far gone that genocide is its only answer to problems of population and climate change? Is it inescapable, and does all religion and ideology mean nothing?

That's why I don't go for the deflection using religion. It's ust another way of saying others are stupid, ignorant or insane. (Not that it may not feel that way.) I see a lot more at play at a deeper, more material level.

I doubt you will have time or inclination to answer my rambling, but I'm asking this as you do comment about the area, just in case.

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