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freshwest

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18. Only certain wealthy Saudis are financing the Daesh. Their banking system is not at all like ours.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:43 PM
Nov 2015

Wealthy individuals send money to fight the current regime in SA and it's been proven that the money is not traceable or controlled:

Hawala or Hewala (Arabic: حِوالة‎, meaning transfer), also known as hundi, is an informal value transfer system based on the performance and honour of a huge network of money brokers, primarily located in the Middle East, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, and the Indian subcontinent, operating outside of, or parallel to, traditional banking, financial channels, and remittance systems.

The unique feature of the system is that no promissory instruments are exchanged between the hawala brokers; the transaction takes place entirely on the honour system. As the system does not depend on the legal enforceability of claims, it can operate even in the absence of a legal and juridical environment. Trust and extensive use of connections, such as family relations and regional affiliations, are the components that distinguish it from other remittance systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hawala&printable=yes

The parts I emboldened have made me think this way. I'm not going for the CT stuff about the Illuminati and how... whatevers. Kerry went to the Saudis to see if they could tweak the system to trace the Daesh donors. Another problem is at the link itself, the barter system. NSA, etc. are not able to trace every drop of oil or herd of sheep or even slaves that Daesh trades in kind for other things in kind that are being given them. But for the most part, the Daesh are self-sufficient and don't need donors anymore. The reason the Russians and the USA is now bombing fuel tankers and manufacturing facilities is the same reason the Allies and the Russians did the same to the Nazis. They need that more than money and what money they need they get from theiving, blackmail, etc.

The Saudi royals don't want to help the Daesh, they are among their prime targets.
Even though the Saudis give lip service to various Arab causes, its real goal is to maintain the royal family and their rule over the land and resources of SA.

But the Daesh has promised to slaughter the royals and blow up the sites in Mecca that they object to for the same reason they object to the Shia. They are not into the extremism that Daesh is selling to the angry and desperate, but they feel that the Saudis are still not the practicers of their version of Islam, or so they say. But I don't believe the leaders of Daesh believe in any of this, it's a con job. Just my idea.

I see the Shia as much like the Protestants opposed to the Vatican. but am willing to be talked out of that. The Pope is said to be carrying the mantle of Peter. The Saudis think the same thing, and their bloodline goes a long way to the original friends of Mohammed, and they've got divine rights.
The Daesh see them as very wrong, or so they say. I say it's about land.

Shia see their teachers as valid as the Sunnis and have some texts added. It seems to be a family fight. We've been removed from this by distance and time and think it's just dumb. Not everyone does, there are still fortunes to be made and dynasties to be created by strongmen.

The Lutheran and Catholic split was long and bloody. A lot of it had to do less with true belief and the transfer of property. Example would be France, where Catholics slaughtered those they said were heretics to Rome. But only after being promised their land by the Pope. Then they went on a rampage.

IDK if this the source of the French aristocracy and the source of concentrations of wealth in other nations, but I suspect so. Make excuses to kill, clear and land and steal resources and give them to their leaders. The Daesh is going with the same method.

The Saudi royal family are not as bad as the Daesh, but that's not saying much in the eyes of most of us. But it's all about 'maintaining stability' that the European royalty and its descendents, the present governments, are in bed with them.

Because of the results of the glorious bloody revolution some cheer on and crave so much don't end like movies:

Movies love stories of scrappy heroes overthrowing an evil regime, and in these stories, there are exactly three types of characters:

1. The heroic revolutionaries
2. The evil empire
3. The nameless civilians running screaming in the background

We never get the story from that third group -- even though the vast majority of us would fall into that category should regime change ever come to our land.


http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1406-5-survival-lessons-from-inside-real-world-dystopia.html

Daesh offers genocide in its place and an even more tidy society. Well, for some people, at least. And they'll get away with it, when you really think about it:

#3. When It's Over, The Bad Guys Get Away With It

Sudbin and his brother weren't shot. They floated away and were eventually rescued by the Czech Red Cross and taken to a refugee camp. This was a gigantic improvement over "death camp," but also no kind of place for an 18-year-old trying to restart his life. "... you are there, you are doing nothing, in some sort of ghetto again. For two years, you don't know what is going on with Bosnia. You are thinking about your future, you wish to have your own job, to work, to have money -- to not be a parasite. And we think ... 'Go to Germany -- it is the Promised Land.' Irony, those who destroyed Jewish population are now the promised land for everybody."

They were smuggled into Germany by "the Hungarian mafia," a detail Sudbin seemed uncomfortable providing any more detail about. They actually traveled to Germany twice -- failing to start up there in 1993, but trying again in 1994. Eventually, Sudbin found a place for himself working in theater in Munich.The Bosnian genocide ended in 1995, at which point all those neighbors who'd been murdering each other just ... stopped and went back to work. Like it had never happened...


#1. Genocide Works

That's right. We said it. You can go buy your "Genocide Works" T-shirts in the Cracked merchandise store right now.

Oh, there are still Bosniak Muslims, just as there are still European Jews. But in both cases, the genocide accomplished much of its goal. At the time the killings came to Sudbin's sleepy town of Prijedor, Muslims were the largest ethnic group in the city, composing 43 percent of the population. Today, only a tiny fraction remain...

The killers primarily targeted adult men. Most women survived ... and were raped repeatedly by Serbian soldiers, the idea being that they'd then give birth to more Serbian kids. Between the death camps and the rape, most of the Muslim population in Bosnia was scattered to the wind and wound up living in other parts of Europe. The war criminals who wanted to turn Sudbin's chunk of Bosnia into a Serbian, Christian-dominated region succeeded. Even if the dead of Omarska get a monument someday, even if people "never forget" what happened in Bosnia, the Bosniak Muslims who survived still lost their homeland.

"They lost this kind of feeling which we all have of being at home. This kind of feeling is the same for everybody -- to be at home, to be happy, to have a family. And this is the most expensive thing in the world. This is happiness."
And if history has taught us anything, that state of being is both fragile and temporary. Don't take it for granted.


http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2022-6-awful-things-i-learned-surviving-genocide.html

More than you needed, but that explains my view on some of this.

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