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freshwest

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13. I'm not sure if the money in the collection plate is a factor. Over the centuries the Vatican has
Sat May 26, 2012, 01:13 PM
May 2012

Accumulated great wealth. Believers enforced their rights to not be taxed, surrender rights or property to governments, and still do today. I guess we'd call sovereign wealth, although I know the meaning of that term doesn't fit what I'm saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_wealth_fund

Maybe that's a bad example, but in a way they don't care about public opinion, etc. They've held onto so much over the years, that they have more power than government. They have outlasted most nations if not all, and are using their financial power to shove our secular government principles aside to discriminate against non-believers in health care and other issues. They have bonded with the born-again Protestants and will likely bond with Mormons, maybe even Moonies. In the end it's not about theology, it's about power. Perhaps this is the beginning of the one world religion the Bible speaks of in the End Times.

They've pretty much won the war over not paying taxes on property or income, not following the IRS rules on mixing politics with religion. They are enjoying the approval of judges, legislators and governors to continue their position. Because people have been brought up in the Church, been married in it and it's simply part of their family life and prosperity, too.

While not supporting secular government they have taken the money of non-believers to continue their attacks on public education. Future generations are more likely to follow their edicts whether they believe in them or not, those parameters are being built into the textbooks. Their members support these things, even if not consciously, or it wouldn't be happening. The First Amendment as it is now interpreted allows churches to do anything they please with no sanctions or costs of doing so.

Emboldened by their influence among high placed politicians, despite some parishes going broke, they are comfortable doing these things. I have no solution to their actions and they accept nothing less than total surrender of the commons and the people to their dogma. And just to make myself clear, it's not just the Catholics, I'm not singling them out as most of them that I know are liberal but not all of them.

All these religious groups are doing the same thing. When I visit some areas, they have become bigger than government in the lives of many people and with the laws getting enacted they are becoming more powerful and our nation less free.

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Paolo Gabriele charged with illegal possession of documents after whistleblowing book alleges corrup maddezmom May 2012 #1
I"ve read some really strange things over the years about the Vatican and money. Here's a wiki piece freshwest May 2012 #2
Scrubbing Wiki further implies corruption, imo. stubtoe May 2012 #3
The article I saw that's been scrubbed indicated they had ties with all the financial meltdowns. freshwest May 2012 #4
They need to come clean. If people would stop sending money in the collection box that would southernyankeebelle May 2012 #8
I'm not sure if the money in the collection plate is a factor. Over the centuries the Vatican has freshwest May 2012 #13
Well they usually have a yearly contribution for the pope travels. We all can stop that by not southernyankeebelle May 2012 #16
stubtoe Diclotican May 2012 #12
Huh, so the butler did do it. Javaman May 2012 #5
you beat by 1 minute! n/t Gore1FL May 2012 #6
Hmm what was on the list? Joe Bacon May 2012 #11
Does the pope's butler take a leak in the Vatican? Thor_MN May 2012 #7
Jesus wept onethatcares May 2012 #9
wait - this has been done already - Seinfeld did a Butler episode.... NRaleighLiberal May 2012 #10
Oh yes the Poop acts fast on this Politicalboi May 2012 #14
Shouldn't they transfer him to another diocese The Second Stone May 2012 #15
The Vatican arresting a whistleblower? Truth in the Catholic Church is a big secret, evidently. Zen Democrat May 2012 #17
I know! Arresting a whistleblower screams "serious coverup". glinda May 2012 #19
The Catholic Church is still full of secrets bjb May 2012 #18
That's a nice, heartwarming addition to the thread. pacalo May 2012 #20
How about them Papals? Blue Owl May 2012 #21
Scapegoat. nt Boabab May 2012 #22
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