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Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
14. I don't understand why Russia had to invade Crimea first and justify their actions by a referendum
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

afterwards.

If there was a genuine desire for the people in Crimea to secede from Ukraine, it wouldn't have been necessary, these things usually happen in the opposite order. Unfortunately, it won't be possible to gauge the will of the people in Crimea until Russia withdraws, in spite of all the pictures of smiling people and Russian flags.

I know that the Russian propaganda is hard to ignore, but please - it's all utter BS. Putin is a full-blown fascist who wants to abolish democracy and unite all ethnic Russians under one flag. Do you really think that he's the least concerned with adhering to democratic ideals and making sure that elections are fair?

I don't trust the Russian figures, the events during the referendum makes me (and the rest of the world) believe that it was rigged and just a retrospective attempt to justify a coup. A pro-separation vote of 96.77% isn't realistic.

Wikipedia: Crimean status referendum, 2014
(snip)

Allegations of fraud
A Russian journalist claimed that she was allowed to vote even after admitting she was a Russian citizen with only a temporary one-year permit to live in Crimea "According to all the laws, this is illegal," she said in one interview. "I am a foreign citizen. How can I decide the destiny of the Crimean Autonomous Republic of Ukraine?"

The chairman of the electoral campaign of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People claimed officials did not check carefully whether voters' names were on the electoral register and that some voters were bussed in to Bakhchysarai to increase participation rates in the city. Mejlis also stated that only 34.2% of Crimea residents participated in the referendum.

There were few reports of people confiscating identification documents before the voting day. Simferopol city administration confirmed these claims and declared these actions unlawful.

A senior US official claimed there was "concrete evidence" of some ballots having been pre-marked.


Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014
Excellent interview swilton Feb 2016 #1
Any sound and advanced relations with the US and EU are out of the question until Russia gives back Little Tich Feb 2016 #2
Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. polly7 Feb 2016 #3
It was a sham election made at gunpoint, and declared illegitimate by the rest of the world... Little Tich Feb 2016 #4
No. polly7 Feb 2016 #6
Excellent post: It is hard to hide the truth on the internet (at least if people want to know it) newthinking Feb 2016 #10
You said it "(at least if people want to know it)". polly7 Feb 2016 #12
I don't understand why Russia had to invade Crimea first and justify their actions by a referendum Little Tich Feb 2016 #14
LOL. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #15
They did not invade Crimea. They were there already and have *always* had Military there newthinking Feb 2016 #18
To understand the events in Ukraine you must understand the "first" Maidan - Orange Revolution 2004 newthinking Feb 2016 #19
All of this doesn't explain why Russia got involved. Little Tich Feb 2016 #20
The Propaganda War Over Crimea's Break From Ukraine newthinking Feb 2016 #5
Thank you for facts. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #7
You bet : Map image newthinking Feb 2016 #8
........ polly7 Feb 2016 #9
Funny how *nobody* in the MSM mentions the actual name of "Crimea" before the referendum? newthinking Feb 2016 #11
You are right. It's all totally bizarre. nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #13
We often rationalize Moscow's penchant for anschluss as invitation. LanternWaste Feb 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author newthinking Feb 2016 #17
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