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Baobab

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7. They are horrible for all countries that dont have really strong unions
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:31 PM
Mar 2016

You have to understand that the EU was created by a trade deal so they have already had something like 20 years of mandated government procurement to the lowest qualified bidder and something none of the US-style deals (GATS, NAFTA and their more recent progeny-TISA, TTIP and TPP) have, free migration - people can move to other EU countries in search of jobs without being attached to a corporation- even plumbers, etc, and many have- and they get public healthcare and even unemployment insurance if they cannot find work, so wages have already fallen there a lot for the lesser skilled, people with high levels of skill have done okay, they always will I think that is the real thing driving this is a hatred on the part of some in the US business community of the high wages gotten by people with high levels of technical skills- something non-tech business needs but that it hates paying a lot for.

falling birth rates have put off the race to the bottom on wages that many were hoping for as automation ramped up so these trade deals are probably hoped to push them down.
With mode Four people cannot just move - they are only there under some corporations wishes so if they quit or get fired they have to immediately leave,

they have no salary limits as far as I know, they could be paid room and board, even I suppose.. although its likely they would be paid a minimum wage or at least be represented to be receiving a minimum wage, of one or the other, perhaps the higher of the two.

In the EU, unlike Mode four, people not affiliated to corporations can move from one country to another to work. Mode Four only allows corporations and perhaps very high level single person corprations and executives and subcontractors (workers who are installing something or teaching something or healing something or writing some program, or working with special equipment in a high skill in demand field like oil or gas exploration or similar.. they would not be paid slave wages they likely would be paid at least somebody's minimum wage..

Somewhere.. but it may not be the US minimum wage. Honestly, i dont think there are rules on wages - just working conditions, they cannot be worse for guest workers - But lots of kinds of discimination against people are likely for example, the companies that come in may not have women or minorities (whatever minorities exist in their workforce, they may not be there) also discrimination is understood to be things like minimum wages (because they might keep some countries workers out) another form of discrimination would be quotas- they will definitely be struck down-

The rules are basically a lot of rules that say basically over and over that rules must not get in the way.

and the differences in wages between say india and the US is huge enough so that they will literally save - several hundred percent.

According to experts like Saskia Sassen EU unions are likely to do much better because of collective something agreements. they cant just be deprived of their jobs as easily.

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