Thousands in Serbia March Against NATO and the West

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13. Yes, that is why the Gypsy and Hungarians were all running to Serbia during the Civil War

Furthermore the largest Ethnic Cleansing was the removal of Serbs from Croatia. Now, the Serbs of Krajina. technically a part of Croatia but pre war having a majority Serbian population, had called itself independent at the start o the Civil War,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Serbian_Krajina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm

The evacuation and following mass-exodus of the Serbs from the RSK led to a significant humanitarian crisis. In August 1995, the UN estimated that only 3,500 Serbs remained in Kordun and Banovina (former Sector North) and 2,000 remained in Lika and Northern Dalmatia (former Sector South), while more than 150,000 had fled to Yugoslavia, and between 10,000 and 15,000 had arrived in the Banja Luka area....

EU envoy Bildt accused Croatia of the most efficient ethnic cleansing carried out in the Yugoslav Wars. His view is supported by several Western analysts, such as historians Marie-Janine Calic,[183] Gerard Toal and Carl T. Dahlman, Miloševic biographer Adam LeBor, and Professor Paul Mojzes, but rejected by US ambassador Galbraith.

Operation Storm as the biggest ethnic cleansing since WWII, it did not get much press in the West for it was NATO supported Croatia that did the Cleansing (Through post Civil War, many Serbs have returned, but many others have refused).

At the time period it was noted the Roma (Gypsies) and Hungarians who lived in the Former Yugoslavia tended to run to Serbia NOT Croatia for protection. You saw the same thing in Kosovo, where the Serbs and Roma refugees went to Serbia NOT Albania.

Now, Bosnia was a different set of facts. Bosnia is the most isolated part of Yugoslavia and the Yugoslavia Army had long planed to retreat to Bosnia in case of any invasion (Bosnia is also were the Yugoslavian Partisans were based out of during WWII). Thus you had extensive plans for the Defense of Bosnia before the war ever broke out. Thus Bosnia quickly divided among its population. The Croats viewed the Moslem Bosnians as Croats with a different religion, while almost 1/2 the population call themselves Orthodox Serbs. These two groups still exist in Bosnia and divided into two seperate states within Bosnia:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republika_Srpska

In terms of Language, speakers of Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian can understand each other, but Croatian is written in the Latin Alphabet, Serbian in the Cyrillic Alphabet and Bosnian in the Arabic Alphabet.

Bosnia and Herzegovina are regional names NOT ethnic names. Bosnia is the "Ethnic" historian name for Moslems in "Bosnia and Herzegovina", with Croat being the name for historical Catholics and Serb being the name for historical Orthodox (and that is true even if the actual person is NOT of any of those three religions, you can have atheist Croatians, Serbians and Bosnian).

It is among the ethnic groups of Bosnia that you saw the most ethnic crimes. It appears both Croatia and Serbia tried to contain such crimes but each had only limited control over the side they supported in Bosnia. Neither Croatia or Serbia sent in actual troops into Bosnia, preferring to work through proxies, and that was a problem for such proxies tended to be the most radical among the Bosnian and Serbians in Bosnia. Serbia had the upper hand in most of the fighting, for Bosnia had long been a place to retreat to and thus massive plans to hold Bosnia against all invaders. Given the Serbia had the largest population in the former Yugoslavia, it had the most senior officers (and Serbia had always preferred more central control of Yugoslavia then Croatia, Croatian preferring more local control, thus reinforcing the tendency for Serbs to be in leadership positions in the former Yugoslavian Army).

Just pointing out that while the Serbs are NOT sinless in the breakup of Yugoslavia, outside of Bosnia, the Serbs did almost NO ethnic Cleansing, unlike Croatia and Kosovo. Bosnia, was another story, with everyone doing some variation of ethnic cleansing, more to firm up the borders between the Serbs and the Croats/Bosnians then the eliminate each other. Serbrenica, in many ways, shows this cleansing attempt by local Serbs (I.e. Serbs living in Bosnia NOT Serbia):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

If you read the reports carefully, Serbia had NOTHING to do with the massacre, in fact tried to prevent them. On the other hand the Serbs of Bosnia were cleanly involved. You have to seperate the two sets of "Serbs" for if you do not, then those "Serbs" living in the US in the 1990s are as at fault as the Serbs in Serbia, i.e they are at fault for they are Serbs NOT want they were doing.

The subsequent NATO attack on Serbia to end such cleansing did NOT attack the people who did the actual killing, in fact attack people trying to prevent it. The massacres in Bosnia was an excuse to attack Serbia. It was hoped that such an attack would end Serbia Support for Bosnia, but people forget when the President of Serbia lost the next election it was to someone who wanted to continue the fight NOT end the fight.

Sorry, Serbia was a debacle for the US and NATO. Serbrenica should have been evacuated by those NATO troops in Serbrenica NOT held. Any long siege is known to end is a massacre, the better option would have moved the people out, but the NATO forces Refused to do that. That just set up the Serbs of Bosnia to grow mean and that leads to massacres as what happened in Serbrenica. I am NOT apologizing for Serbrenica but putting it in context, even the Dutch said their troops were part of the fault for that massacre. A break up of an integrated country can lead to disaster if all sides do not want to work together and in the break up of Yugoslavia all sides wanted to see what they could win militarily before they sat down to talk peace. Thus the Civil War, thus the ethnic cleansing,