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Octafish

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14. He made an outstanding presentation at the Duquesne conference...
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016


An attorney, author, and early critic of the Warren Commission, Mr. Lane said he is proud to be the only public official arrested for being a Freedom Rider during the Civil Rights movement. At the Duquesne conference, Mr. Lane stated that he believed he was the only person in the room of about 800 people who also was personal friends with President John F. Kennedy and Attorney General and later Senator Robert F. Kennedy. He got to know them in his role as New York City for JFK campaign chair in the 1960 election, particularly RFK, who served as his brother’s national campaign manager. Speaking from his unique personal and professional perspectives, Mr. Lane discussed the role of secret government in regard to the assassination.



EXCERPT...

This is what Arthur Krock wrote, published in The New York Times on October 3, 1963: "A very high American official -- and he was talking about John Kennedy -- has said the CIA's growth was likened to a malignancy, which was, the very high official said, was not sure even the White House could control.” And this very high official, probably the president, said. And was published, as I said, in The New York Times, October 3, 1963. “If the United States ever experiences an attempt at a coup to overthrow the government, it will come from the CIA and not the Pentagon. The CIA represents a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone.”

That's what was said in October. And the president was killed the following month.

The Warren Commission never called Arthur Krock to ask him who the official was; How come he could predict the assassination a month before it took place? or predict something happening; and who the high official was? The high official was John Kennedy. But, that has not been said (in the media). And so we have the government issuing a statement which is untrue. And then we have the news media accepting it and allowing no dissent.

No dissent. For one year, a full year after the assassination of the president, not one question was asked of the government or published anywhere in any newspaper, radio station, television station. Not one question about the validity of the government's investigation. Not one question.

I'd like to believe that now with the internet and instant communication we have all around the the whole world, that if that happened today, it would be very hard to keep it a secret. But, you can count on the fact that people will continue to try that, if events have to be covered up from their viewpoint.

And as I said, there was -- their statement (the Warren Commission’s) was, “Our position is that we must reassure the American people.” And Earl Warren came out and when he was asked, "When will we get the truth?” He said, “You may never get it in your lifetime. Hundreds of thousands of Americans might die if the facts came out.”

And so, he was terrified. The hundreds of Americans he was talking about was World War III, which was going to break out, if they told the truth. This was what the Warren Commission was told. It took me years to get (FOIA) transcripts of the in-house meetings of the commission.

But, this is what they were told: that Lee Harvey Oswald, according to the CIA, went to Mexico City in October, 1963. He then visited the two agencies there -- he visited the Soviet embassy, he was in the Soviet Union, and the Cuban embassy. And it's clear that he was planning after he killed -- this was in October, when he was there, they said -- he was planning to go to Cuba and from Cuba -- go from Mexico City after the assassination -- Oswald was -- and go to Cuba from Mexico City and then fly on to the Soviet Union. That's the story that was told to the Warren Commission.

And the CIA went on to say, however: “We don't believe that the Russians or the Cubans were in any way involved. But, if the story gets out, people will not believe us. And that's why hundreds of thousands of Americans will die in a war which is going to take place. That's what they told Earl Warren and scared him. He really was frightened by this.

The trouble was the story was a fabrication. Oswald had not been to Mexico City.

The person who designed that whole story was a man named David Atlee Phillips, who ran the Central Intelligence Agency for the entire western hemisphere from his office in Mexico City.

Not long before he died, in the last seven years (or so) ago, he said that, I was at USC and appeared on the program with him) he said that, in fact, Oswald never was in Mexico City -- which destroyed the entire story which had been told to the Warren Commission.

When that was reported, an apologist for the Warren Commission said, “Well, it was because, yes, he said it, we can't deny that he said it.” This was well-publicized, this statement. “But the fact is that Mark Lane had subjected him to a cruel, grueling cross examination and confused him and that's why he said it.”

It was a (1977) meeting at USC (University of Southern California). I was on the panel and he was on the panel. I directed no question to him at all. And a student got up at the end and raised the subject, which I had not, that was: “Can you tell us about Mexico City, Mr. Phillips?" There was no cross examination. It was just the kid asking the question. And that's when Phillips said, "Oswald was never there."

And so the cover-up was that I had subjected him to this cross examination that wasn't. Of course, I didn't ask him anything. It was the student that said it. But that became the mantra of the Establishment to try to explain how the man who ran the Central Intelligence Agency for the United States (in the hemisphere) and elsewhere and did it from his office in Mexico City, made that statement, because of my brilliant cross-examination, although I never asked him the question.

And so here we are now, 50 years later, almost 50 years later, and there still are files which are classified. We don't even know the number, but we know there are in the tens of thousands of documents, that are classified by reasons of national security. Which obviously makes no sense, 50 years later. Never made any sense at the time because they were saying Lee Harvey Oswald did it alone. But anyway, even if made sense, then what issue of national security can possibly still be involved?

Well it's a question of CIA’s security. If the American people were told then or were even told now the truth about who killed their president, that would be the end of the CIA.

Most of the people who were involved are dead; in fact, maybe all of them. I know some names, but I don’t (name them). I'm a lawyer and I believe in our system of justice. I've never spoken out the name of any one individual who i believe is a suspect in the case because I think that our system is: Nobody is guilty in this country, each person is presumed to be innocent, even when they've been indicted, it is unfair to give up our whole judicial system in this one instance by saying yes, so-and-so probably did it. Guilt is determined by a jury or a plea of guilty or if you waive a jury, by a judge. The outcome is the result of a judicial proceeding. That is crucial to who we are, not every country has this blessing, which was handed down to us by the founders at the very beginning.

CONTINUED...



Please know the transcription above of Mr. Lane’s remarks from Oct. 18, 2013 at Duquesne above is mine. Any errors it may contain are my own.

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Mark Lane opened our eyes, breaking the myths of democracy and freedom our government was meant to Kip Humphrey May 2016 #1
He made an outstanding presentation at the Duquesne conference... Octafish May 2016 #14
The original paperback edition of Mark Lane's "Rush To Judgement " is still on my bookshelf. hedda_foil May 2016 #15
Oh, how I WISHED I had taken the extra day to see him at that conference, Octafish... MrMickeysMom May 2016 #42
Thank you, MrMickeysMom! The People in Pittsburgh are amazing. Octafish May 2016 #58
One of my early hero's... CanSocDem May 2016 #2
Yours is a great memory. Octafish May 2016 #17
Assuredly... CanSocDem May 2016 #23
Mark Lane, Thank You for your contribution, CRH May 2016 #3
A Great Democrat Octafish May 2016 #18
The Mafia-CIA-Cubans-FBI finally got him Freddie Stubbs May 2016 #4
I suspect the real story was he was traveling in a small airplane Major Nikon May 2016 #9
Yeah! Like Paul Wellstone and JFK, Jr. Octafish May 2016 #21
More like like chemtrails and UFOs Major Nikon May 2016 #22
No, more like Nixon and Dulles and Bush. Octafish May 2016 #24
Must be the crop circles Major Nikon May 2016 #25
I admire people who tell the truth. That's why I have a problem with you, Major Nikon. Octafish May 2016 #30
You'll have to excuse my momentary lapses of reason Major Nikon May 2016 #34
No need for disinformation. Octafish May 2016 #101
Then why bring it up? Major Nikon May 2016 #103
DISINFORMATION Part 2: How Trolls Control an Internet Forum Octafish May 2016 #110
Here's your alien abduction post... Major Nikon May 2016 #111
No where do I mention aliens, though. Octafish May 2016 #113
True Major Nikon May 2016 #117
So why do you need to imply I said that? Octafish May 2016 #120
Fair enough Major Nikon May 2016 #122
Never had known this and see it's completely consistant with RN's character. Judi Lynn May 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #29
No. What's ''loony left'' is siding with Karl Rove over Don Siegelman. Octafish May 2016 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel May 2016 #45
After two judges tossed the case, they found a Rove appointee. Octafish May 2016 #77
Lane didn't even mention CIA in ''Rush to Judgement'' Octafish May 2016 #19
Aha, so only 50 years after coming up with his theory, tptb found a way to silence Mr. Lane. FSogol May 2016 #5
Time runs out for all human beings. Octafish May 2016 #20
Excellent book. He refused to believe that a dim-witted former commie, with poor marksmanship, Doctor_J May 2016 #6
I've tried to recreate the shots in christx30 May 2016 #7
Lane said J Edgar Hoover naming Oswald the lone assassin within hours was a sign of cover-up. Octafish May 2016 #31
I bought his book on the assassination and for many years jwirr May 2016 #8
Thank you for sharing that, jwirr. Octafish May 2016 #37
Being homeless is still a problem but finally my daughter has jwirr May 2016 #44
... 2naSalit May 2016 #10
Truly a great American. Some of his accomplishments... Octafish May 2016 #63
Citizen Lane: freedom rider, screenwriter... MinM May 2016 #11
Thanks to his efforts, MinM, we KNOW. Octafish May 2016 #72
Sad Day Mark 750 May 2016 #12
It was a sad day! Octafish May 2016 #78
Rush to Judgment (1966) Youtube complete Ichingcarpenter May 2016 #13
Those are the Stories. Octafish May 2016 #81
Cross gently, Mark. Cooley Hurd May 2016 #16
Thank you, Cooley Hurd. Octafish May 2016 #83
I am now conviinced the kill shot came from the car behind, the agent with the gun that Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #26
There is a movie about it on Netflix? longship May 2016 #27
Pretty clear what happened... Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #61
I know. Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK. longship May 2016 #68
He was shot from the car behind him? Are you serious? Bucky May 2016 #33
This is the gun that killed him Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #62
Mark Lane reported the truth. He did not add noise. Octafish May 2016 #48
Only 89? hmmm...sounds suspicious to me Adenoid_Hynkel May 2016 #28
Actually, it took Mark Lane years to document the CIA - MAFIA Murder Inc. relationship. Octafish May 2016 #84
Can GHWBush account for his whereabouts when these alleged "natural causes" occurred? Bucky May 2016 #32
You have the right idea, just the wrong suspects Major Nikon May 2016 #35
Here's who to suspect: Those who've spent the last 52 years covering it up, the BFEE. Octafish May 2016 #38
That's actually a pretty brilliant plan Major Nikon May 2016 #39
But that's not what the post was about. Here's something else to know, Dude... Octafish May 2016 #40
Yep, nothing like a dose of John Hankey Major Nikon May 2016 #43
Is that why John McAdams archived that thread? Octafish May 2016 #46
I have no idea why a wingnut would "archive" one of your unrelated posts Major Nikon May 2016 #47
I posted fact. You post straw men and ad hominem. Octafish May 2016 #49
No, what you posted came from John Hankey who is an anti-Semite Major Nikon May 2016 #50
Appeal to authority now. Octafish May 2016 #53
WTF are you even talking about? Major Nikon May 2016 #55
Your smears, threats and distortions. Octafish May 2016 #57
Diversion noted Major Nikon May 2016 #59
That is a despicable thing to write. Octafish May 2016 #60
Promoting the LaRouche movement is pretty fucking despicable Major Nikon May 2016 #64
Don't get all frothy, Major Nikon. Those are the FBI documents. Octafish May 2016 #65
You have such patience. CanSocDem May 2016 #66
CIA is still up to its old shenanigans. Octafish May 2016 #70
Why don't you just say "my dog ate my proof"? Major Nikon May 2016 #67
Because it wouldn't be true. Octafish May 2016 #69
By all means keep on promoting the work of anti-Semites if that's what does it for you Major Nikon May 2016 #71
Nice smear. If I was an ''anti-Semite" interested in ''butthurt" I'd be long gone from DU. Octafish May 2016 #73
I didn't claim you were an anti-Semite Major Nikon May 2016 #74
You also defend Bush & Cheney Octafish May 2016 #75
Bullshit Major Nikon May 2016 #76
Be sure to put this in your memoire. Octafish May 2016 #82
You flatter yourself Major Nikon May 2016 #85
How droll. Octafish May 2016 #86
I think you're worried about how close I'm getting to what you're really about Major Nikon May 2016 #92
Smears all up and down this thread, but what bothers me most... Octafish May 2016 #99
I tell you what Major Nikon May 2016 #102
What do you think you've been doing up and down this thread? Octafish May 2016 #115
Your post was alereted on! cleanhippie May 2016 #87
His journal is filled with him parroting out one of the founders of the LaRouche movement Major Nikon May 2016 #90
Smear by association. Octafish May 2016 #93
217 results Major Nikon May 2016 #96
So those who chronicle the crimes of the Bush family are a problem for you. Nice. Octafish May 2016 #98
For those that don't know, Webster Tarpley was involved in the LaRouche movement for decades Major Nikon May 2016 #104
Please do. The defenders of the Warren Report say, "Case closed." I don't. Octafish May 2016 #91
Lol. It was only because of the silly alert that I was drug into this. cleanhippie May 2016 #94
Laugh all you want. Octafish May 2016 #97
Why do you keep parroting out works from LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review? Major Nikon May 2016 #105
Show where I'm ''a fan'' or link to anything of that. Octafish May 2016 #107
You didn't answer the question Major Nikon May 2016 #108
I don't have to do anything you demand, on DU or anywhere. Octafish May 2016 #118
True, you don't have to provide evidence of any of your smears Major Nikon May 2016 #124
Jury results cleanhippie May 2016 #95
Evidence of Octafish's fondness for LaRouche Major Nikon May 2016 #100
My reputation matters to me. Octafish May 2016 #106
So why do you keep parroting out works from LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review? Major Nikon May 2016 #109
You are so right. 14 years on DU. Octafish May 2016 #112
So I'm smearing you with the very material you are posting yourself Major Nikon May 2016 #114
You smear me and I'm supposed to do what you demand? Octafish May 2016 #116
I've yet to see you post the slightest proof I've ever expressed fondness for Bush or Cheney Major Nikon May 2016 #119
Defend. Octafish May 2016 #121
And you've done both Major Nikon May 2016 #123
Call me names or a Larouchie, I don't care. Octafish May 2016 #125
Obviously you do care Major Nikon May 2016 #126
Not really. I side with Mark Lane. You side with Bush and Cheney, Major Nikon. Octafish May 2016 #127
No, really Major Nikon May 2016 #128
Like self-referential posts. Octafish May 2016 #129
Sure, I'm smearing you with your own posts Major Nikon May 2016 #130
Actually, that shows me using the truth to slam the BFEE. Octafish May 2016 #131
If your "truth" was as rock solid as you claim, why go to LaRouche to get it? Major Nikon May 2016 #132
Why do you spend so much time smearing me and defending Bush, Major Nikon? Octafish May 2016 #134
Pointing out that LaRouche is a batshit crazy anti-Semite = "defending Bush" Major Nikon May 2016 #135
But you were calling me an anti-Semite Larouche supporter all over upthread. Octafish May 2016 #136
Bullshit Major Nikon May 2016 #137
Maybe not a good time to mention it, but you're repeating yourself. Octafish May 2016 #138
You stole my line! Major Nikon May 2016 #139
No. I've used alert probably six or seven times in 55,000 posts or whatever it is. Octafish May 2016 #142
There should be a warning before posting the Cheney/Rumsfeld photo! Judi Lynn May 2016 #52
Sorry about that photo. It connects evil from 1963 to 2016. Octafish May 2016 #54
I remember listening to him when I was quite young gopiscrap May 2016 #51
Thank you for sharing those memories, gopiscrap. Octafish May 2016 #88
thanks for posting this gopiscrap May 2016 #141
I heard him speak at the University of Minnesota at least 40 years ago. dflprincess May 2016 #56
Thank you for sharing those memories, dflprincess. Octafish May 2016 #89
And thank you for all your research dflprincess May 2016 #140
NYT calls Lane a "conspiracy theorist?" KansDem May 2016 #79
Thank you for pointing that out, KansDem. Octafish May 2016 #80
The effects of propaganda on display. CanSocDem May 2016 #133
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