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uawchild

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8. Absolutely correct.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jul 2016

But your two links don't also address the Latvian Waffen SS:


Latvian SS-Legion marching next to Dome Cathedral in Riga on Latvian Independence Day, 1943

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion

or the Siege of Leningrad:

The Siege of Leningrad, 1941 - 1944. It was horrific. The siege of Leningrad (the modern-day St. Petersburg) lasted almost two and one-half years and cost the lives of an estimated 1,000,000 city residents. It began on September 8, 1941 when German troops completed their encirclement of the city.



Map of Army Group North's advance into the USSR in 1941.

And of course there is prior HISTORY before ALL of this. Its absolutely true that the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union committed horrors. And its true that WWI, the Russian Civil War and WWII saw horrors committed against Soviet and Russians.

11,000,000 Soviet soldiers died fight the Nazis and allied nations and 7,000,000 to 20,000,000 million Soviet citizens died during WWII.

The problem with discussing history is agreeing WHEN to start the discussion and acknowledging nothing happened in a vacuum.

But then I have been accused of reflexively defending Russia against all reason, so what do I know.

Here, let me add some context, I mean excuse making "whataboutism", to this discussion -- of course Russia isn't the only country with blood on its hands that has not apologized sufficiently.

There is certainly enough past horrors for MANY countries to own up to.

For example, I don't think we here in the US have adequately addressed the past horrors of slavery and the genocide of the Native Americans. Why isn't there a memorial museum on the Capitol Mall for either of those atrocities?

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss this matter.

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