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15. They could expedite his courts martial and issue the pardon after the fact.

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 05:09 PM

Dec 2016

He'd have to agree, plead guilty with the understanding that a pardon is forthcoming, and there ya go.

It could be over and done in three days.

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Bowe Bergdahl, Facing Desertion Trial, Asks Obama for Pardon [View all] Begabig Dec 2016 OP

I hope he gets a pardon philosslayer Dec 2016 #1

some troops in Bergdahl's unit got killed looking for him (or so the media tells me) Botany Dec 2016 #3

There isn't that much to directly connect the deaths to the search for Bergdahl ToxMarz Dec 2016 #6

Desertion metroins Dec 2016 #26

Fuck this deserter leftynyc Dec 2016 #43

I dont see it happening as he has not been convicted of a crime as of this moment and cstanleytech Dec 2016 #2

In order to get a POTUS pardon, the recipient MUST ACKNOWLEDGE GUILT. MADem Dec 2016 #4

Exactly. He was imprisoned this 5 yrs, give OTH discharge and be done uppityperson Dec 2016 #7

I'd go with dishonorable and walk yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #58

From wiki: yallerdawg Dec 2016 #8

ACCEPTANCE of the pardon means you have acknowledged you committed the crime. MADem Dec 2016 #11

Nope, sorry but desertion while engaed with any enemy doesn't just get a pass because he's a twit. Leontius Dec 2016 #10

"Engaged with the enemy?" He was pooping when he was picked up. MADem Dec 2016 #12

Yeah I forgot nobody shits in a combat zone. Leontius Dec 2016 #19

They don't wear civvies and go walkabout if they're of sound mind. nt MADem Dec 2016 #22

He actively sought the enemy metroins Dec 2016 #27

No, he thought he'd walk to India. He wasn't in his right mind. nt MADem Dec 2016 #63

He wrote letters to his dad metroins Dec 2016 #64

I invite your attention the Newsweek article I have posted. MADem Dec 2016 #66

You can quit digging now, I'm sure it's getting warm in that hole. Leontius Dec 2016 #36

You can stop being snarky and personal, and discuss the topic like an adult. MADem Dec 2016 #65

You can only be dishonorably discharged after a general court-martial jmowreader Dec 2016 #14

They could expedite his courts martial and issue the pardon after the fact. MADem Dec 2016 #15

If the military would agree, that would work. jmowreader Dec 2016 #17

Manning did something similar. Guilty plea in exchange for taking the DP off the table. MADem Dec 2016 #23

His lawyers could make the deal directly with Justice/WH lawyers. MADem Dec 2016 #73

The President has pretty much unlimited power to grant pardons in federal cases Jose Garcia Dec 2016 #57

The POTUS does not sign off on any pardon that has not been vetted by Justice and the MADem Dec 2016 #59

Nixon never admitted guilt, yet Ford pardoned him Jose Garcia Dec 2016 #60

The act of accepting the pardon is the acknowledgement of guilt. MADem Dec 2016 #68

How would Bergdahl get a fair court-martial... yallerdawg Dec 2016 #5

His best bet is a plea deal, ASAP, as outlined upthread--IMO. MADem Dec 2016 #75

Probably military intel. Mc Mike Dec 2016 #9

What? Begabig Dec 2016 #20

GOP criticized Obama for not getting him back and then criticized Obama for getting him back. keithbvadu2 Dec 2016 #13

Yes and his father was used for fundraising underpants Dec 2016 #51

That exchange was scary to watch, especially with Republicans turning up their nagging of Obama. Sunlei Dec 2016 #53

Trump thinks Bergdahl should have been executed jmowreader Dec 2016 #16

5 years as a prisoner of war and another couple years waiting trial is ENOUGH PUNISHMENT. Sunlei Dec 2016 #18

Family is Republican and Obama already did them one favor at his expense hollowdweller Dec 2016 #21

Do any of you valiant fighting keyboarders really know what war does to human beings ? FairWinds Dec 2016 #24

I've been there and done all that and Bergdahl can rot... Begabig Dec 2016 #25

So have I . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #30

Are you saying the NY Times is fake news? Begabig Dec 2016 #34

Are you kidding me with your . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #38

Did Judith Miller write this? Begabig Dec 2016 #40

You made a GENERAL comment about . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #41

About what? Begabig Dec 2016 #46

The way to "walk away from war" is to invoke one's right to not join the military in the first place brooklynite Dec 2016 #37

Again, you have no idea at all . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #42

It is incumbent on DOD to vet personnel before accessing them. MADem Dec 2016 #67

Indeed. MADem Dec 2016 #69

He shouldn't get one. WhoWoodaKnew Dec 2016 #28

He shouldn't get one and I don't know why Obama stuck his neck out doc03 Dec 2016 #29

pardoning Bergdahl would be disgracefull... beachbum bob Dec 2016 #31

Where was your outrage when Scooter Libbey FairWinds Dec 2016 #32

All over DU leftynyc Dec 2016 #44

And why are y'all so in love with a Republican war of choice ?? FairWinds Dec 2016 #33

Really, at Veterans For Peace they were against it....what a surprise.. EX500rider Dec 2016 #35

To reiterate . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #39

He already served a five year sentence. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #45

Play stupid games... Win stupid prizes... Begabig Dec 2016 #47

Not sure why you are so caught up on this as if this guy was an actual traitor. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #48

There was a world before Trump... Begabig Dec 2016 #49

Trump made it a point to falsely call Bergdahl a "traitor" and use it as an argument against Obama. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #50

Accountability doesn't mean washing our hands of him... Begabig Dec 2016 #61

At this point, I don't trust the irrational incoming President who wants to politicize the case. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #62

You're mistaken. They KNEW where he was. IN PAKISTAN. MADem Dec 2016 #74

"clemency application" submitted, not a pardon. Can the President grant clemency as POW time served? Sunlei Dec 2016 #52

That's even less problematic. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #54

Obamas used clemency a lot recently. I just don't know if he could use it for a military case? Sunlei Dec 2016 #55

I would think as Commander in Chief he could. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #56

Obama already got him one "pardon" by getting him home... Blue_Tires Dec 2016 #70

There were 4,000 deserters in 2001 alone . . FairWinds Dec 2016 #71

Bergdahl never should've been allowed to stay in the military to begin with. phleshdef Dec 2016 #72