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karynnj

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17. I also watched everything in 2009/2010 - probably more completely in the Senate than in the House
Thu Jul 29, 2021, 01:56 PM
Jul 2021

I watched most of the Finance committee and the HELP committees hearings. The point I was making was that both a cloture bill to enter debate and one to vote were needed - as well as many other procedural votes by the Republicans to make the passage as difficult as possible.

I agree that the circumstances were very different -- this IS a bipartisan bill, while ACA had no Republican support, even from people like Olympia Snowe who had supported similar things for years. They had no choice to get a comprehensive healthcare bill other than to pass the bill already passed in the Senate in the House - even with flaws.

We actually did have to worry about cloture even in the approximately 4 months with 60 Senators. This meant that we still needed to make sure Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Landrieu were on board. Letting people 60 to 65 buy into Medicare was not an option because of Lieberman and they could not get the public option.

I was posting because someone posted that all they needed now for passing this bill were 50 votes. In fact, they will have to survive at least one more cloture vote to pass the Senate.


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Still hard to believe ColinC Jul 2021 #1
It's just step 1 BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #3
I think 60 are needed to allow it come to a vote if that.procedural vote is not waved. karynnj Jul 2021 #6
The 60 was needed for one part (which they are doing now) BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #8
In 2009, there was a cloture vote to proceed to debate the ACA and later a cloture vote before karynnj Jul 2021 #9
I watched the hearings, the markups, the amendments, the debates, and all the votes BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #12
I also watched everything in 2009/2010 - probably more completely in the Senate than in the House karynnj Jul 2021 #17
I think we are still saying the same thing BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #18
I completely agree karynnj Jul 2021 #21
WE should take this and come back later The Mouth Jul 2021 #15
I don't want this thing to pass. I don't think the reTHUGS want it either but they really don't abqtommy Jul 2021 #2
1 trillion for 8 years is tRump change, what a disgrace, especially after handing wall street $10T n yaesu Jul 2021 #4
Isn't this dead in The House, OneCrazyDiamond Jul 2021 #5
There are 2 parts for they want to do and this was one of them, which already passed the House BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #7
I don't see Pelosi sitting on this bill for months after it passes the Senate. Calista241 Jul 2021 #10
if she get its passed we will never get sinema, manchin etc.. to sign on the reconciliation bill drray23 Jul 2021 #11
Reconciliation can only be done ONCE in a fiscal year BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #13
Good insight. Lasher Jul 2021 #16
She sounded pretty serious. OneCrazyDiamond Jul 2021 #14
Has NewsMax suggested this is evidence of Biden's tyrannical rule yet? Sapient Donkey Jul 2021 #19
SnoozeFux can go pound sand BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #20
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