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BumRushDaShow

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29. They are including the Israeli data in the reivew
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 07:06 PM
Sep 2021

Last edited Thu Sep 23, 2021, 07:44 PM - Edit history (1)

but also have other data as well.

The big slide deck on that is here (PDF) - https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-9-23/03-COVID-Oliver.pdf

I think there are several factors going on -

1.) Two of the vaccine types have never been used before (mRNA), let alone on such a huge scale, so I really think they are trying to hedge enough so that if something goes wrong in the future, they won't be pilloried for the rest of their lives.

2.) They are trying to function in a literal unprecedented global pandemic, the likes of which has pretty much surpassed the 1918 one (where obviously none of them were even born then). And back in 1918, the medical personnel didn't even know what was really causing the pandemic, yet here we are today with a complex knowledge of what the virus "looks like" down to the molecular and genetic level, and generally know how it gets into cells within the body to replicate. But the end result, even with a vaccine, has ended up being almost the same as that a century ago.

3.) Many of them are techies in their fields but that doesn't translate well to the general public. There are certain expectations for vaccines in general that have always been par for the course, but the message that had gone out initially in order to get as many people vaccinated as possible, was by sortof glossing over what they normally tell people when it comes to vaccines. The repetitive "get the vaccine and 'get back to normal'", ended up being the albatross around their neck because the public got the impression that a vaccine could be a "shield", and any medical doctor or immunologist knows that has never been the case. But to the public, anything less than what was promoted - "getting back to normal, including going maskless", became a "failure", and that seemed to set the stage for a lot of frustration.

We have a long way to go but hopefully what will come out of this is a new way to do annual vaccines, like the flu one.

"Sorry frontline workers" durablend Sep 2021 #1
I expect there are many frontline workers BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #2
Have you seen a list of the approved "underlying conditions?" SheltieLover Sep 2021 #5
I have to go through the slides to see if there was one that was explicit BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #6
Ty SheltieLover Sep 2021 #9
LOL I found one BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #13
Ty! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #15
You are welcome! BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #18
I see their problem as one related to not accepting Israeli data at face value SheltieLover Sep 2021 #21
They are including the Israeli data in the reivew BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #29
True SheltieLover Sep 2021 #32
I'll happily take the third vax, too. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #37
Yeah more and more has been coming out regarding how Moderna has fared BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #39
Only if the asthma is "severe/uncontrolled" - not sure of the exact wording there. TygrBright Sep 2021 #10
Sorry to hear, Bright SheltieLover Sep 2021 #12
I presume it's going to be under "honor" system again. LisaL Sep 2021 #20
Not so. They will verify that you are being treated for/medicated for severe asthma. TygrBright Sep 2021 #30
Who will verify? LisaL Sep 2021 #33
Here in NM you sign up on the DoH website and give your insurance information. n/t TygrBright Sep 2021 #34
Here we don't do that. LisaL Sep 2021 #36
It must vary by state. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #38
+1,000! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #3
It actually does make some sense. thesquanderer Sep 2021 #7
My goal is to not end up with long haul SheltieLover Sep 2021 #14
Yay for those approved! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #4
It's not "completely" approved by CDC yet BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #8
Ok. Ty! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #11
Yeah I think all of the states are gearing up BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #16
Good "self-certify" SheltieLover Sep 2021 #17
Smokers huh ... dweller Sep 2021 #19
Yet not for asthmatics, per Bright (#10 above) SheltieLover Sep 2021 #22
Saw that dweller Sep 2021 #24
Both should be eligible, imo. SheltieLover Sep 2021 #26
... BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #23
Me too ! dweller Sep 2021 #25
I first bought it on laserdisc because DVDs weren't even out yet BumRushDaShow Sep 2021 #31
Lol SheltieLover Sep 2021 #27
For those who qualify, does this include those who received Moderna shots initially? deurbano Sep 2021 #28
No dweller Sep 2021 #35
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