Erdogan says Turkey not supportive of Finland, Sweden joining NATO

[Igel]

28. No.

Article 5 demands that any existing NATO country be willing to send thousands of its citizens to die to defend another.

Would you be willing to be Biden and face down 10k mothers upset that he sent their kids to die for a country that most Americans didn't want to support?

A lot of American mothers barely tolerate the idea of their sons dying for a cause the US government endorses. Now, imagine that Al-Qaida had struck Romania, and we had 20k dead to defend Romania.

Oh, wait--Romania's NATO.

That's the (R) position--and India's, China's, most of South America's and Africa's--"Ukraine? Genocide? Butchery? Too bad, so sad. Why should we destroy *our* economy and have *our* kids get killed for them?"

Notice, even ignoring the countries where Russia's dug its claws in deep because Putlin *will* back governments even the US won't touch when it supports RAGA, that's over 1/2 the world's pop. And for the most part it's really the part where the Enlightenment hasn't sunk in deep. (The Enlightenment hasn't sunk in deeply to some sections of the US population. It's a gulf between me and an increasing percentage of my students as my home campus shifts SES. Where once we had maybe 1 fight every 6 weeks, now we have 2 fights a week. I find that the sociological research I've seen is dead on in many respects.)