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Sancho

(9,154 posts)
53. People Control, Not Gun Control
Tue May 24, 2022, 09:16 PM
May 2022

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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USA! USA! USA! Coventina May 2022 #1
Only the best people hibbing May 2022 #7
Holy shit lonely bird May 2022 #9
you're an optimist. nt Javaman May 2022 #10
Shit wryter2000 May 2022 #2
It'll never end, right? Hav May 2022 #3
What the hell is breaking911.com? SpankMe May 2022 #4
A news app. Historic NY May 2022 #8
After reading Spank Me's canetoad May 2022 #43
Well my county emergency services here in NY had the information out before the Historic NY May 2022 #48
18-year-old shooter, Salvador Romas, is now dead. speak easy May 2022 #5
Word is being circulated that he was mad because he wasn't going to be allowed to graduate. hamsterjill May 2022 #25
So he shot up an ELEMENTARY school because he wasn't going to graduate HIGH school?? Nay May 2022 #47
That's what is being said. hamsterjill May 2022 #51
OMG, I heard a report about shooting in progress but this is devastating, not again!!!! nt yaesu May 2022 #6
don't you worry, the fascist right wing in here in texas won't do a damn thing, oh wait... Javaman May 2022 #11
"Much too soon to talk about gun control" durablend May 2022 #38
I grew up there. hamsterjill May 2022 #12
i was supposed to be in that area last weekend but had to cancel. moonshinegnomie May 2022 #14
The whole area is in shock. hamsterjill May 2022 #45
ted cruz is already sending thoughts and prayers moonshinegnomie May 2022 #13
More likely that Ted Cruz is wnylib May 2022 #28
God damn Wild blueberry May 2022 #15
Madness. maxsolomon May 2022 #16
not madness DBoon May 2022 #27
Yes. durablend May 2022 #39
They don't care. OBVIOUSLY. Justice matters. May 2022 #46
Another source, for the thread Lasher May 2022 #17
Just another day in fascist America. ananda May 2022 #18
God did not write the Second Amendment Mysterian May 2022 #19
just like the bible, the right wing selectively picks and chooses what it likes Javaman May 2022 #22
this will be traumatic NJCher May 2022 #20
How long must the USA be hostage to insane gun worshippers and their enablers? Mysterian May 2022 #21
As long as we have a minority-rule form of government. PSPS May 2022 #23
It will never be enough, cilla4progress May 2022 #24
They're just kids. Now if it were fetuses, they might do something. The insanity! Lonestarblue May 2022 #31
Coming soon from Republicans, blame the unarmed! Emile May 2022 #26
Sadly, you are surely correct. wnylib May 2022 #30
And the kids too! durablend May 2022 #40
7,8, and 9 year olds. Where's all those pro-lifers? sinkingfeeling May 2022 #29
My guess is that this was wnylib May 2022 #32
Strength to all involved. 😔 electric_blue68 May 2022 #33
I just turned on the TV-busy most of day. I am stunned. We listen to the local news riversedge May 2022 #34
Gov Abbott .... Historic NY May 2022 #35
Incomprehensibly, huh? tanyev May 2022 #44
It's just awful DashOneBravo May 2022 #36
My god. Nt. underpants May 2022 #37
Alex Jones trial. liberalgunwilltravel May 2022 #41
WNY Native liberalgunwilltravel May 2022 #42
goddamn coward llashram May 2022 #49
Republican John Thune blames shooting victims for failing to 'take precautions' and 'get small' to a keithbvadu2 May 2022 #50
No they need to be fetus size! burrowowl May 2022 #52
The tweet is five years old, but ManiacJoe May 2022 #57
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho May 2022 #53
I read it is now 18 kids and 3 adults? Skittles May 2022 #54
Local news reporting 19 children now hamsterjill May 2022 #55
Up to 19 kids and 2 teachers Bayard May 2022 #56
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