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18. No, the rich and "powerful" will not survive. Rising sea levels, droughts, floods, hurricanes,

Sun Sep 10, 2023, 09:49 PM

Sep 2023

and wildfires will result in mass migrations and millions of refugees that will destabilize every society on Earth. The wealthy depend on the stock market and real estate. Those will both prove useless against the catastrophes that climate change will bring. We're already getting a preview of what's to come, but the temperature is still rising. if we don't start a mass movement for change, no one is safe. The poor will suffer first, but the consequences will affect everybody and everything.

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Biden Says Climate Change Poses Greater Threat Than Nuclear War [View all] BumRushDaShow Sep 2023 OP

Well, he's WRONG. And what a sound bite gift that'll be. oldsoftie Sep 2023 #1

He's not wrong. we can do it Sep 2023 #2

He is not wrong, and here's why: When you do any risk assessment Ocelot II Sep 2023 #5

It could be a draw depending on how you rank the impact nt Shermann Sep 2023 #13

No, a nuclear war is not "obviously" the wost catastrophe in our future. In fact, it would not have Martin68 Sep 2023 #19

My point exactly. Which is the greatest risk, Ocelot II Sep 2023 #20

The rich and powerful will survive (While being the biggest drivers of climate change too) ck4829 Sep 2023 #6

I've said this from Day 1 Shermann Sep 2023 #14

No, the rich and "powerful" will not survive. Rising sea levels, droughts, floods, hurricanes, Martin68 Sep 2023 #18

Unpopular opinion: Climate change will be an economic boon long term hueymahl Sep 2023 #27

They cannot 'eat' gold, or fish if there are none left in the warming oceans. Justice matters. Sep 2023 #21

but what good is a billion when society is collapsing all around? DonCoquixote Sep 2023 #26

He's not wrong. This worst ever summer is likely the best marybourg Sep 2023 #8

No, You're wrong.... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #9

You cannot adapt to the collapse of our biosphere. No water No food No people airplaneman Sep 2023 #12

The effects of climate change will not be uniform around the world Kaleva Sep 2023 #16

You're missing the flow stock problem. CO2 resides in the atmosphere for 1000 years give or take. mahina Sep 2023 #55

No, he's not wrong. It's basic risk management. Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #58

He's right. RandySF Sep 2023 #3

If Nuclear war is worst then why is Japan still in existence? kimbutgar Sep 2023 #4

Because todays nukes are about 100x more powerful than those dropped on Japan. oldsoftie Sep 2023 #15

"If Nuclear war is worst then why is Japan still in existence?" EX500rider Sep 2023 #39

Excuse my ignorance kimbutgar Sep 2023 #44

K&R ck4829 Sep 2023 #7

Thank you posting this... Think. Again. Sep 2023 #10

As has the Pentagon. For years now. ancianita Sep 2023 #11

This is absolutely true, and I've been disappointed that some on DU are still not taking the threat Martin68 Sep 2023 #17

"in the next decade or two" -- I wish I were as optimistic. PSPS Sep 2023 #22

Yes. LudwigPastorius Sep 2023 #53

Depends on how you look at it as in the short-term nuclear war is far more dangerous as climate cstanleytech Sep 2023 #23

"Depends on how you look at it as in the short-term nuclear war is far more dangerous as climate" BumRushDaShow Sep 2023 #25

Those are all minor things in the short-term compared an all out nuclear war. cstanleytech Sep 2023 #32

That's not "minor" because it is happening *DAILY* BumRushDaShow Sep 2023 #36

How many people are effected by that at max? Probably 20 to 60 million. cstanleytech Sep 2023 #37

I haven't even touched the surface of the extreme weather events this year BumRushDaShow Sep 2023 #41

I don't think it's downplaying, BlueIn_W_Pa Sep 2023 #45

I expect the intent BumRushDaShow Sep 2023 #46

We must not allow a mineshaft gap! n/t Harker Sep 2023 #24

Since climate change has a 100% probability of occurring and... NNadir Sep 2023 #28

You said it best. 100% vs Unknown. twodogsbarking Sep 2023 #29

Biden said "nuclear war" BlueIn_W_Pa Sep 2023 #30

There is a huge difference between could and is. NNadir Sep 2023 #31

Only in the short-term as more than likely at least some of our species would survive a nuclear war. cstanleytech Sep 2023 #33

I agree above with NN about how useless the comparison is BlueIn_W_Pa Sep 2023 #35

How much of a difference would the long term radiation be from what's around Chernobyl? cstanleytech Sep 2023 #38

Depends how many are ground bursts Vs air bursts EX500rider Sep 2023 #40

This is pure speculation, however, since nuclear wars have not been observed since 1945... NNadir Sep 2023 #42

Damn you got me running down the rabbit hole BlueIn_W_Pa Sep 2023 #47

The reference, by the way, is a 1986 reference from Von Hippel... NNadir Sep 2023 #43

One yr ago: "Biden calls the prospect of Armageddon' the highest since the Cuban missile crisis."l womanofthehills Sep 2023 #49

Increased CO2 PPM poses a greater threat to civilization/human life than nuclear harun Sep 2023 #34

No one really knows what poses a greater risk womanofthehills Sep 2023 #51

Guess it depends on how many harun Sep 2023 #57

Americans will have to sacrifice! LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #48

Sacrifice to do what? BlueIn_W_Pa Sep 2023 #50

Jimmy Carter's energy program included "coal to oil." NNadir Sep 2023 #52

There is a ton of money to make... Happy Hoosier Sep 2023 #59

Carter's energy program was LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #54

Climate change is out of the tube and something humanity has no choice but to adapt. PufPuf23 Sep 2023 #56