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In reply to the discussion: Protest at Egypt president's palace turns violent [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)One of the problem with a Draftee Army is the enlisted ranks tend to be pulled from the people, and thus tend to think like the people. A good example of this is Vietnam and Afghanistan. In Vietnam, the US Army was draftee. As long as the Majority of Americas supported the war in Vietnam, the Draftees fought as well as any army the US has ever produced. The problem started in mid 1968, as the Majority of Americas went from supporting the war to opposing the war. The enlisted ranks of the army followed and you saw a deep decline in the fighting ability of US Troops. This decline was NOT due to the actions of the Viet Cong, but the result of the people of the US wanting the war done and with the switch so did the enlisted ranks.
Unlike Vietnam, the war with Iraq never had majority support, while the War with Al Queda and the attack on Afghanistan did have popular support at first, but that support died out as it became clear Al Queda had been pushed out of Afghanistan (i.e. most Americans wanted out of Afghanistan even before the US invaded Iraq). Did this opposition by the people of the US have any effects on the US Military in Afghanistan or Iraq? The answer is no, the troops did NOT reflect what the Majority of Americans wanted, but what they pay masters wanted.
Please note, Special Forces, Pilots, Officers, and other highly trained specialties tended to NOT be affected by the above shift in the attitude of Americans to the War in Vietnam. For the same reason today's army is not affected, they are nothing but mercenaries and will fight as long as they are paid.
Egypt has a draftee army and as such can NOT be trusted to suppress the poor of Egypt who back the Moslem Brotherhood (If ordered to shoot will not, and once they do not shoot may just join any Moslem Brotherhood Protest). Remember the Moslem Brotherhood and their even more Fundamentalist allies received over 75% of the voting for the Egyptian Parliament, and Morsi himself received 52%, with the Military and their allies doing everything they can to suppress the vote of his supporters.
Lets remember it was the Army Leadership that used the Police and even released criminals as they tried their best to keep Marabek in power. I suspect the Army Leadership is doing this again, but with the additional maneuver of having the police make sure any actions against these "protesters" are pro-functionary at best. i.e the Army wants these protesters to succeed, drive out the Moslem Brotherhood and then use the Draftees to put down these protesters (The Enlistees do NOT support these protesters and thus can be used AGAINST THEM, remember the draftees/enlistees support the Moslem Brotherhood NOT these protesters).
Notice, as long the Morsi and the Moslem Brotherhood are in control, the army leadership and their allies in the Courts and the Police have no real reason to stop any protest (and no way to stop any Moslem Brotherhood protest, except by hiring thugs to disrupt such a protest). The Moslem Brotherhood knows this and thus have made every effort to avoid confronting these protesters (The Moslem Brotherhood have had dealings with the Army Leadership over the last 50 years and know what they can and will do to stay in power). The Moslem Brotherhood knows that the leadership of the Army (all Marabek supporters) is waiting in the wings to step in a "Save the Revolution" by suppressing the Moslem Brotherhood and re-installing the Government of Marabek (Through without Marabek). The Moslem Brotherhood is doing its best to avoid playing that game, avoiding confrontations so the Army can NOT intervene and "Save" the Revolution from both the protesters and the Moslem Brotherhood.
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