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22. The date that goes on the security envelope
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 11:10 PM
Sep 2024

I'm in OH, so I'm assuming a couple of things, but most states are similar in this:

When I request and get a mail in ballot, the vote by mail packet I receive has 4 things in it. The actual ballot, the security envelope, the return envelope and an instruction sheet that tells me how to fill everything out and return it.

The ballot has no signature or other identifying markings on it, just the candidates and the issues. That is how they maintain your anonymity. You fill out your ballot with your choices and it goes in the security envelope.

The security envelope has all the authentication measures. When I get mine this fall, I'll fill out the ballot and seal it in the security envelope. On the outside I put my name, address, date of birth and drivers license number (that's the one I choose, there are other options). Then I sign and date it, put it in the return envelope and either mail it back or take it to a drop box.

When the board of elections gets my return envelope, they take my security envelope out and drop it in a bin that is kept secured until election day. On election day, they verify my security envelope and take out my ballot and drop it in another bin to be scanned and tabulated. That is how they both verify my identity and maintain the anonymity of my votes.

The "date" in question is the date on the security envelope. Put the wrong date there or no date at all and, with this decision, PA won't be counting your vote. A typo on that date has zero to do with election security, it's just another way to disqualify votes. The post mark date is the one that matters, get it in the mail by the deadline and received by the board of elections by the deadline and your should be counted. Rs know that Ds are more likely to vote by mail, so they will cull more D votes than R votes and in a tight race, maybe swing the result in their favor.

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What dates need to match up? SomedayKindaLove Sep 2024 #1
It seems most of the issues have been with envelopes with no date added at all BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #4
The date that goes on the security envelope InstantGratification Sep 2024 #22
Thank you for the explanation. evolves Sep 2024 #36
I love voting by mail InstantGratification Sep 2024 #38
"The ballot has no signature or other identifying markings on it, just the candidates and the issues" - Nope not here BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #43
Sorry, my wording left room to misinterpret. The point I meant to convey is InstantGratification Sep 2024 #49
"The QR code identifying the ward is new to me. I don't know if OH does that or not." BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #59
This confirms what I suspected. ShazzieB Sep 2024 #58
Must the handwritten date on the security envelope match the postmark date? Oopsie Daisy Sep 2024 #69
Not a matter of matching up, some just forget to put the date after they sign Deminpenn Sep 2024 #25
It's A Farce RobinA Sep 2024 #77
How is the voter liable for a date error if the ballot was received in time? Karadeniz Sep 2024 #2
I'm not sure why the date is so important on the ballot as long as it gets in on time. LymphocyteLover Sep 2024 #34
I usually early vote in person a couple days before progree Sep 2024 #3
We have no "early in-person voting" here in PA (i.e., using voting machines) BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #6
I haven't trusted mail ballots in Texas for years. Lonestarblue Sep 2024 #5
We have only been doing this current thing since 2020 BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #9
The old absentee ballots in my county had the forms printed horizontally Deminpenn Sep 2024 #27
Different Counties have been configuring the envelopes and ballots differently BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #42
It should be standard Deminpenn Sep 2024 #48
Well BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #50
Meant should be standard within the Commonwealth of PA Deminpenn Sep 2024 #62
I don't think that will ever happen either BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #63
I'm the same way as you, and I'm in Kansas. slightlv Sep 2024 #14
Have you recived your mail in ballot yet? I'm in Kansas--Sedgwick Co Bengus81 Sep 2024 #37
After the hassle last time, slightlv Sep 2024 #61
DO NOT trust mail in anywhere HagathaCrispy Sep 2024 #7
In person with ID Linpark90 Sep 2024 #21
The issue with dates on mail in ballots MissKat Sep 2024 #8
There are Counties here that offer the ability to "cure" including here in Philly BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #10
Yes and the ballot "curing" is also done in Allegheny County FakeNoose Sep 2024 #19
"people sometimes see DATE and they put their birthday" - wow, that's the ultimate in early voting progree Sep 2024 #13
How many R's vs D's do you have on your state's court? slightlv Sep 2024 #15
The PA Supreme Court has a 5-2 majority of Dems. John1956PA Sep 2024 #26
PA Supreme Court is 5D, 2R Deminpenn Sep 2024 #28
OFFS! nt RobinA Sep 2024 #78
Ruling was technical Deminpenn Sep 2024 #80
If the ballot is deemed invalid, will they be notified in time to then vote in person? everyonematters Sep 2024 #11
It seems to vary from County to County BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #12
If it's known that's all the election office is allowed to check (of course) slightlv Sep 2024 #16
If we lose based on ballots with incorrect dates, we deserve to lose. C'mon people, it's not so hard to fill in the Martin68 Sep 2024 #17
+1. I'd bet money GOPers are more apt to screw up ballots than Democrats. Silent Type Sep 2024 #51
What Is RobinA Sep 2024 #79
As with any notarized document or contract, the date is the actual date you sign a document. Martin68 Sep 2024 #82
Hard To Understand This Ruling DallasNE Sep 2024 #18
Until now, the quarantined ballots have been relegated to provisional status FakeNoose Sep 2024 #20
Looks like 2000 all over again !TRE45ON. ArmedLiberal24 Sep 2024 #24
We shoud sue again for provisional status bucolic_frolic Sep 2024 #31
I remember other Republicon tricks in Florida 2000 with butterfly ballots. Another design for republicon filth to cheat. ArmedLiberal24 Sep 2024 #23
No, that's the wrong take Deminpenn Sep 2024 #32
PA Supreme Court cited a lack of standing in overturning the Commonwealth Court Deminpenn Sep 2024 #29
I hope you're right FakeNoose Sep 2024 #41
There went contract law - all you need is a postmark - Photo your enveiope!!!!!! bucolic_frolic Sep 2024 #30
Updated republican racist/hate driven poll tax wolfie001 Sep 2024 #33
I agree on John Roberts being a spineless weasel, in general Dock_Yard Sep 2024 #55
Already posted MichMan Sep 2024 #35
CAN'T WE PLEASE ALL GO AND VOTE IN PERSON SO THEY CANT STEAL IT???? HagathaCrispy Sep 2024 #39
THIS WOULD BE BEST -- LEAVE NO DOUBTS ON OUR VOTES ACTUALLY COUNTING Dock_Yard Sep 2024 #56
Not every piece of successfully delivered mail gets a postmark. I receive MANY cards and letters * Oopsie Daisy Sep 2024 #40
PA mail in ballots must be requested PennRalphie Sep 2024 #44
They have required that people "request" or "renew" each year since 2020 BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #60
I'm not sure everyone knows this PennRalphie Sep 2024 #64
At least here in Philly, they (the City Commissioners who run the elections) have been talking it up BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #65
I realize Philly rules PA PennRalphie Sep 2024 #66
To respond BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #67
You have great in depth knowledge. PennRalphie Sep 2024 #68
As a reply BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #71
There are very few indies here PennRalphie Sep 2024 #72
And again BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #76
What's the make up of the PA Supreme Court? AdamGG Sep 2024 #45
5 Democrats 2 Republicans Wiz Imp Sep 2024 #53
Some "democracy" you have here. SidneyR Sep 2024 #46
The Date Thing RobinA Sep 2024 #81
I sense a "hanging Chad" decision as a clerk if a "11" is really a "10" or "Nov" is really "Nav" LiberalArkie Sep 2024 #47
COLORADO VOTERS: in Colorado it's not enough to have your ballot postmarked by Election Day. CrispyQ Sep 2024 #52
PEOPLE: JUST VOTE AT A POLLING PLACE THIS ONE TIME Dock_Yard Sep 2024 #54
Agreed. Even when we're at the brink of losing our democracy, Frank D. Lincoln Sep 2024 #57
NO - PA has no "early voting" BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #73
Oh come ON ... Dock_Yard Sep 2024 #85
Most people DO go "in person" BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #86
i vote by mail et tu Sep 2024 #70
THIS 👆👆👆 BumRushDaShow Sep 2024 #74
... et tu Sep 2024 #75
When I Went RobinA Sep 2024 #83
good for you et tu Sep 2024 #84
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