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MADem

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11. Who's suggesting that this is "America's job?"
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:26 PM
Dec 2012

And who's suggesting that Mubarak should be kept in power?

And who's suggesting "regime change" as in "violent overthrow" or anything of that nature?

It should be a worldwide finger wag, IMO. A loud, long, talked-about and sustained tut-tut. People aren't stupid, least of all Egyptians, who are some of the smartest folks on the planet--they'd get the drift.

It's just not "OK" to fuck over half the population in the name of so-called "democracy" and pretend it is the will of the people when it is, in fact, disenfranchisement, coercion, bullying and shaming--all in the name of the predominant religion. Funny how we in the USA are lightning quick to excoriate the fundy nuts here, but can manage to pretend it's "cultural" when we see some gay kid getting kicked to shit or a woman getting beaten with a switch for showing an ankle "over there."

And it's not an "either-or" construct, either.

I'm going to take a huge guess and figure you're not a member of a minority. People who have experience as "others"--owing to ethnicity, gender, orientation, what-have-you-- grasp this issue better than those who have always held a place of privilege in society.

What's happening in Egypt is NOT good. It is a giant step back, over a hundred years, culturally. And it's fucking over more than half the population, the half that has no power and damn little voice in the society. That will never be acceptable to me. If you don't believe me, ask some of the "lucky" women or gays who escaped Iran following Khomeini's rise to power. Ask them what they expected from the revolution, and what they got, and why they left. You'll get an earful.

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Right on! Coyotl Dec 2012 #1
This sucks--totally. MADem Dec 2012 #2
It probably neither sucks totally nor is the most desirable constitution ever. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #3
If you are a female or a Coptic Xtian it sucks. Totally. nt MADem Dec 2012 #4
We'll see how it plays out. Egypt doesn't become Berkeley overnight. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #5
I saw how it played out in Iran in 79. Meet the new boss, worse than the old boss. MADem Dec 2012 #6
+1. The LGBT community is also now in a terrible position nt riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #7
Anyone who is an "other" is pretty much screwed. MADem Dec 2012 #8
Nothing would be better if Mubarak has stayed in power. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #10
Who--save you--is postulating a strawman scenario where Mubarak stays in power? nt MADem Dec 2012 #12
That is what all this "Egypt is a dead loss" rhetoric is about. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #13
I am one of those "people" and I am not saying what you're claiming at all. MADem Dec 2012 #15
I agree that the people wanted something else in Iran. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #17
It's been over 3 decades. How long must we wait? That's the question. MADem Dec 2012 #18
Fine, guarantee the rights... Ken Burch Dec 2012 #9
Who's suggesting that this is "America's job?" MADem Dec 2012 #11
We need to stand with "the Other"-but not to sound arrogant while doing so. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #14
It shouldn't be just "The West." It should be every SOB in the world MADem Dec 2012 #16
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