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10. Abbott threatens to try to expel Democrats who fled Texas, escalating tensions
Mon Aug 4, 2025, 08:25 AM
Aug 2025

I read the Ken Paxton opinion cited by Abbott. It does not support Abbot's threat



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/08/04/texas-democrats-redistricting-maps-abbott-trump

CHICAGO — Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) is threatening to try to remove Democratic lawmakers from office for fleeing the state and claiming they could be charged with crimes, escalating tensions overnight in a showdown over redrawing congressional lines ahead of the midterm elections......

Abbott, who also launched a $750,000 digital ad campaign Sunday against Democrats, cited a 2021 opinion from state Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) in his letter to contend that courts could determine Democrats had abandoned their duties and given up their jobs. That would allow Abbott to call special elections to replace them, he said.

“Democrats hatched a deliberate plan not to show up for work, for the specific purpose of abdicating the duties of their office and thwarting the chamber’s business,” Abbott wrote in his letter....

By leaving, Texas Democrats have thwarted the plan for now. At least two-thirds of the members of the Texas House — 100 of 150 — must be present for lawmakers to take action. That means 51 of the 62 Democrats can block the Republicans from advancing their plans, and 57 have left the state, Democrats said. Most are in Chicago, but some are in Boston and Albany, New York, they said.


Here is a link to the opinion from Ken Paxton cited by Abbott
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/sites/default/files/opinion-files/opinion/2021/kp-0382.pdf
This "opinion" cited an 1873 case that a member of the legislature can "abandon" their office
Abandonment is a species of resignation. Resignation and
abandonment are voluntary acts. The former is a formal
relinquishment; the latter a relinquishment through nonuser.
Abandonment implies nonuser, but nonuser does not, of itself,
constitute abandonment. The failure to perform the duties
pertaining to the office must be with actual or imputed intention on
the part of the officer to abandon and relinquish the office. The
intention may be inferred from the acts and conduct of the party, and
is a question of fact.

This case does not support Greg's claim. There would have to be litigation and a formal removal by a court finding abandonment.

Paxton's opinion does not support Abbott's threat

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Does Greg Abbott also intend to change the number for a quorum? no_hypocrisy Aug 2025 #1
Yes, GQP main goal is to have one party system.................. Lovie777 Aug 2025 #2
As a precinct chair in Texas, we do have something called "abandonment of office". LeftInTX Aug 2025 #29
Nothing fascist about this. Either you allow us to rig the system or we arrest you. Such a choice. Karasu Aug 2025 #3
Criminals LOVE getting away with sh*t! SupportSanity Aug 2025 #11
I guess Republicans aren't real Texas liberalgunwilltravel Aug 2025 #4
How does the executive branch police the legislative branch in TX?9 niyad Aug 2025 #5
Fuck you where you breathe, Hot Wheels. (nt) Paladin Aug 2025 #6
Time for the Blue States to do they same Chasstev365 Aug 2025 #7
I expect every state to be heavily gerrymandered by 2026 cadoman Aug 2025 #23
LOL...Abbott in panic mode because he's not able to please his Fuhrer Bengus81 Aug 2025 #8
Hot Wheels, please proceed. Brainfodder Aug 2025 #9
Abbott threatens to try to expel Democrats who fled Texas, escalating tensions LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #10
Alex, I'll take "What is Propaganda?" for $500. SupportSanity Aug 2025 #14
Even if they had "special elections" BumRushDaShow Aug 2025 #15
Except they aren't abandoning it they are simply taking vacations and they are going to be returning. cstanleytech Aug 2025 #16
I have little confidence in the Texas state courts. TomSlick Aug 2025 #36
Uhhh ... what Constitution allows him to do that? FakeNoose Aug 2025 #12
The state constitution does DavidDvorkin Aug 2025 #17
Politico article explains how: LeftInTX Aug 2025 #33
Dems respond simply to Abbott's threat to remove them from office if they don't return by tomorrow afternoon: LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #13
A scheme that's also at the direction of the sitting President with the goal of assisting him which might be a no-no. cstanleytech Aug 2025 #18
Background: LudwigPastorius Aug 2025 #19
Looks like the Dems removed themselves. Sneederbunk Aug 2025 #20
This was the so-called (nonsensical) Paxton "opinion" BumRushDaShow Aug 2025 #21
I'd rather just expel Greg Abbott. Nothing of value would be lost there! Initech Aug 2025 #22
Not sure he can legally do that Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2025 #24
"Expel"? What, are they just a bunch of recalcitrant middle schoolers or what? Texin Aug 2025 #25
Gov. Greg Abbott's options to force a redistricting vote are more limited than they appear LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #26
Pretty sure that can't happen on Abbott's whims. 634-5789 Aug 2025 #27
By what legal process can a governor "expel" members of the opposition party on the Legislature? Martin68 Aug 2025 #28
They're nuckin futs for sure. twodogsbarking Aug 2025 #30
(From the OP) "Abbott said in his statement: 'these legislators may also have committed felonies.'" red dog 1 Aug 2025 #31
"The felony" would be misuse of campaign funds. But they've been careful about it. LeftInTX Aug 2025 #32
"Remove Democrats". That's exactly what gerrymandering will do anyway. JohnnyRingo Aug 2025 #34
Greg Abbott YoshidaYui Aug 2025 #35
Opposition... Godot51 Aug 2025 #37
"Real Texans do not run from a fight." OldBaldy1701E Aug 2025 #38
Paxton to seek judicial orders declaring Democrat quorum-busters seats vacant if they are not back by Friday LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #39
Legal experts say it would be difficult to argue that engaging in a quorum break qualifies as abandonment of office. Ge LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #40
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