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Bayard

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8. Yet another ridiculous batch of bullshit
Mon Nov 24, 2025, 12:13 AM
Yesterday

How can all these people continue to forget or dismiss that Russia invaded Ukraine? They started this damn war for no good reason other than Putin's greed and ego. Ukraine is the victim.

Why should Ukraine agree to limit weapons? Who is that supposed to serve? Is Russia told to limit theirs?

It sounds like there will be some reparations, but nothing about Russia getting the hell out of Ukraine--COMPLETELY. There should be no equivocation on that. Annexation is total crap for any country to pull (including the U.S.) Ukraine should not be bullied into giving up their land, by Russia, trump, or anyone else.

Still sounds like they want Ukraine to give up their minerals. No other country would agree to that with their own natural resources.

No nukes for Ukraine. Will Russia give up theirs? Ukraine was promised protection when they gave theirs up previously. Same old lies. If they hadn't given them up, Putin may not have tried to bust their door down this time.

Ukraine deserves and needs to be in NATO. Its not up to Putin. Stop letting him think he's in control of everything. Stop being afraid of him. "Robust guarantees," aren't worth didley. Neither does the, "expectation," that Russia won't invade its neighbors. Are you freakin' kidding me? It looks like the only reason other countries don't want Ukraine in NATO is that they are afraid Russia will come back again, and they'll actually have to live up to protecting each other.

I only see a couple of good things in this document. Ukraine is supposed to get their kidnapped kids back. I'm betting many will never be found, or have been fully indoctrinated by now.

I don't see anything about Russian officials being indicted for war crimes. I don't see where Ukraine's stolen land, including Crimea, is going to be returned. They are still treating them with kid gloves. Russia is broke, and they're military is busted. Its high time to put a boot on Putin's neck, or we'll be seeing the same thing again as soon as he can recoup.

I would really like to see Ukraine/Zelensky's wish list. It still doesn't look like they've had much input in what happens to their own country.



See this thread:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/132297224
Pres. Zelensky is entirely right in calling for justice, and not giving up their land.

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