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caraher

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21. It's no "personal slam" to look at their methods and find them severely lacking
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:28 AM
Apr 2013

There is a very small circle of researchers who find merit in this kind of work, folks like Busby and Helen Caldicott (whom I admire for her work in the '80s against the nuclear arms race, but who makes a lot of ill-founded proclamations about radiation hazards that are not remotely accurate). Mangano and Sherman are certainly widely-known - it's easy to become widely-known by making startling claims - but that scarcely means the respect they receive comes from mainstream scientists (which it assuredly does not).

As for the rest, of course radiation can have all those deleterious effects. Nobody is saying it doesn't. But the magnitude of the effects depends on how much exposure to what kinds of radiation. (There is debate about exactly what the dependence is, but this isn't homeopathic medicine here!)

The activist you quote (who himself is presuming to speak for the deceased Mueller) engages in exactly the same kind of specious argumentation that would flunk any budding scientist out of a basic course on data analysis. The US national debt has been rising continuously over the same decades that "sperm counts, sperm viability and fertility rates worldwide have been dropping;" do we therefore conclude that the US national debt is the cause?

Or do we instead think in terms of what putative causes might plausibly be expected to have those effects, estimate the relative magnitudes of those effects, and focus further study on the most likely causes? The answer depends on what the goal is. If the goal is to support a pre-ordained conclusion, the answer differs from the one that applies for someone trying to actually understand a given trend.

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Interesting study. iemitsu Apr 2013 #1
They'll say smoking has decreased. Or something else. Never the elephant in the room. nt valerief Apr 2013 #2
Yep. How about the increased use of GM foods iemitsu Apr 2013 #3
Bwahaha. Yeah, up is down these days, and it's not like the major rags have real journalists to valerief Apr 2013 #5
lol, you win ... a NEW CAR! closeupready Apr 2013 #7
I can't get the link work for me madokie Apr 2013 #4
It's in google's cache bananas Apr 2013 #9
Thank you bananas :hi: madokie Apr 2013 #10
Just a coincidence, I'm sure. Radiation is invisible, so closeupready Apr 2013 #6
At the end of a program in a Nuclear Power Plant, I ask an energy official how did the facility count DhhD Apr 2013 #8
"...electron radiation coming off of large power lines..."? RC Apr 2013 #12
Mangano & Sherman are professional data cherry-pickers caraher Apr 2013 #11
Good point. The thing is they are almost alone trying to analyze what's going on. Octafish Apr 2013 #14
They're almost alone in imagining there's anything there to see caraher Apr 2013 #15
Well, what there is to see are three meltdowns and exposed spent fuel pools. Octafish Apr 2013 #16
Yes, what's happening where the picture is and nearby is awful caraher Apr 2013 #20
No where does EPA -- or the NRC, for that matter -- mention Fukushima and plutonium. Octafish Apr 2013 #22
Sorry caraher RobertEarl Apr 2013 #19
It's no "personal slam" to look at their methods and find them severely lacking caraher Apr 2013 #21
Well, you got one thing right RobertEarl Apr 2013 #23
When I was a child we used to fish there dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #13
Thanks for the memories! Octafish Apr 2013 #17
Come to think of it dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #18
So I checked with my parents, melanoma killed him dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #24
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