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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
93. It does. 'Ill will.' And that opening statement from the prosecution matches this, too.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jun 2013

If the jury grasps the malicious way that Z regarded those he deemed suspicious, with his language repeated in court, they may convict him, although honestly I'm not sure how many options they are being given on conviction.

Some cases give a variety of choices, with degrees of murder, manslaugher or of negligent homocide. I hope that whatever they decide, will be a verdict that people can learn from about the right to walk around 'while black.'

But even if TM was not black, something needs to be done about the mentality that having a gun, or 'might makes right' which the NRA seems to promotes.

Z would not get off with me on the jury, as he didn't have to get out of his vehicle. His later defense he was 'afraid for his life' after he started something he couldn't handle without use of his gun, doesn't wash with me. This could have all been prevented, but Z felt entitled to get out and pursue someone.

His attitude is why TM is dead, not what TM did. That's an afterthought.

Gun rights folks that have backed Z, need to think twice, as he was acting as a hot head with a gun, not a responsible gun owner. Z is the worst example of a gun owner there is, his previous violent record should have not allowed him to carry.

The man was then, and more than likely still is, unstable and unwilling to take responsibility for his own or anyone else's safety, as gun wielder should be required, just like a police officer.

He's guilty in my mind, of what level the jury picks or prosecution has asked, I don't know.


This could be good for Zimmerman hack89 Jun 2013 #1
I agree naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #3
"These assholes always get away", "Fucking punks." Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #9
If they show that his past demeanor was calm and professional hack89 Jun 2013 #11
"Fucking punks" and "These assholes always get away" is calm and professional? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #12
When the jury only had one tape to listen to, you might be right. Now they have 50 tapes hack89 Jun 2013 #15
You don't see the Feb. 26th 911 call as Zimmerman's breaking point? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #20
Evidence is a two edged sword hack89 Jun 2013 #23
Right-wing source dpibel Jun 2013 #66
The witnesses said what they said. hack89 Jun 2013 #68
If you actually read the OP, you'd know they will hear 5 of those tapes, not 50. magical thyme Jun 2013 #89
"Jurors in the George Zimmerman murder trial will hear about nearly 50 calls ..." hack89 Jun 2013 #90
they will hear something *about* the nearly 50 calls, not "hear 50 calls" magical thyme Jun 2013 #92
OK hack89 Jun 2013 #94
when I took karate, we learned not to go for the knockout punch magical thyme Jun 2013 #102
Can the defense call for more of the tapes, now that the judge has ok'd an initial number? Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #125
I think they could. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #131
I guess it depends on how it's perceived. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #17
The prosecution undermined the "wannabe cop" argument with one of their own witnesses. hack89 Jun 2013 #19
Dorival also testified that it was not NW protocol to follow suspicious persons. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #25
Lets look at the actual testimony hack89 Jun 2013 #28
I wonder if he purchased his gun before or after he volunteered for the watch program. summerschild Jun 2013 #35
Declining the opportunity... Wait Wut Jun 2013 #39
We will see what it tells the jury. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #44
Yeah, that concerns me. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #47
It depends on John2 Jun 2013 #57
If those issues are not raised by the prosecution then the jury hack89 Jun 2013 #63
Would he have been able to carry his gun? n/t Just Saying Jun 2013 #78
I don't know. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #81
I'm noticing the pro-Zimmerman bias of some of these bloggers from Legal Insurrection. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #116
Our judicial system is biased toward innocence marshall Jun 2013 #133
That's a fair point. Thanks. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #134
Fifty phone calls in eight years is 1.92 calls per month, or nearly two calls 1monster Jun 2013 #32
Arithmetic is wrong. More like 1 every 2 months. nt. IphengeniaBlumgarten Jun 2013 #55
Show me where I went wrong. Maybe my formula is wrong. 1monster Jun 2013 #60
You've calculated months per call Captain Stern Jun 2013 #83
Thank you. I can be a bit backwards sometimes... 1monster Jun 2013 #111
As it's the prosecution who wanted to introduce this as evidence (and the defense that objected to i LanternWaste Jun 2013 #18
*The* most telling bit of information, ignored by those who've never been in court. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #101
And sometimes, not often, premium Jun 2013 #103
That prosecution team was the epitome of incompetence. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #108
Yeah, having a racist cop investigation OJ, a black man, premium Jun 2013 #110
Exactly! Hack89's assessment makes no sense. Why would the prosecution want the evidence Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #105
I'm not so sure. B Stieg Jun 2013 #21
It might also serve as an endorsement from the police, Jesus Malverde Jun 2013 #38
Once he bought a gun, his demeanor changed to one of "I'll show them." Hoyt Jun 2013 #73
So Hoyt, premium Jun 2013 #75
Pre, your support of Zimmerman - including his bigotry and love of guns - is duly noted. Carry on. Hoyt Jun 2013 #82
So Hoyt, we're back to the lie of me supporting Zimmerman? premium Jun 2013 #86
Also it could make or break the racial profiling charge marshall Jun 2013 #99
In which case it would be the defence wanting to use those recordings. /nt TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #120
It provides an opening for the defense hack89 Jun 2013 #121
Except that he did engage in racial profiling yardwork Jun 2013 #10
If all those calls don't show a pattern of racial profiling hack89 Jun 2013 #13
The prosecution is going to play only 5 more calls yardwork Jun 2013 #14
Considering how several key prosecution witnesses have helped Zimmerman so far hack89 Jun 2013 #16
I don't think any witnesses have helped Zimmerman too much. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #24
One witness undermined the "wannbe cop" argument hack89 Jun 2013 #26
Yeah, that could help go to reasonable doubt premium Jun 2013 #29
Again.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #33
Time will tell hack89 Jun 2013 #54
I don't know how this trial will proceed crim son Jun 2013 #42
I think he is guilty. I also thought Casey Anthony and OJ were guilty hack89 Jun 2013 #49
I see. crim son Jun 2013 #65
Well, OJ definitely was guilty, premium Jun 2013 #71
Wrong. To justify use of deadly force, the Defense has to prove with a preponderance of evidence. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #27
Except Florida law specifically permits the aggressor to use deadly force in certain circumstances. hack89 Jun 2013 #30
And that's where Zimmerman's injuries come in. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #37
"reasonably believes" hack89 Jun 2013 #52
If indeed it was actually "smashed" into "concrete". LanternWaste Jun 2013 #67
That's why we have trials and juries hack89 Jun 2013 #69
I imagine there are additional reason as to why we have trials and juries. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #70
There are plenty, I am sure. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #72
I have little doubt you are... n/t LanternWaste Jun 2013 #74
I can't come up with a more obtuse comment - you win. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #76
I don't think winning or losing defines a conversation LanternWaste Jun 2013 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jun 2013 #85
For us both LanternWaste Jun 2013 #87
I deleted my comment - decided it was too snarky. hack89 Jun 2013 #88
That argument would make sense if Zimmerman didn't have a gun. And more important, if he Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #128
One Cronus Protagonist Jun 2013 #130
The law is in black and white hack89 Jun 2013 #132
You are not unbiased. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #41
Pot, meet kettle. premium Jun 2013 #46
Yea, he's open minded. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #51
So, IOW, premium Jun 2013 #53
So why have I posted so many times that Zimmerman is guilty? hack89 Jun 2013 #61
I'm not John2 Jun 2013 #36
Here is one lawyers analysis of the state's day in court. hack89 Jun 2013 #64
Just because this guy, John2 Jun 2013 #100
Lawyers are like assholes. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #112
Everyone hates lawyers premium Jun 2013 #114
The prosecution wants to bring this evidence in, so I would assume to the JDPriestly Jun 2013 #97
So far the prosecutions witnesses have helped Z just as much as they have hurt hack89 Jun 2013 #98
Your logic makes no sense. Why would the prosecution submit these tapes if there is nothing Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #104
Because it opens a door for the defense hack89 Jun 2013 #106
You said: What if you have 50 calls with no racial profiling? 50 calls with no profanity? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #109
One witness undermined the "wannbe cop" argument hack89 Jun 2013 #113
I was not familiar with these testimonies. As such, there's always witness testimony that gets Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #115
Trials take on a life of their own that sometimes defies logic hack89 Jun 2013 #117
Why do you, John2 Jun 2013 #122
I think Zimmerman is guilty hack89 Jun 2013 #123
Did the witness who testified to the "pop, pop, pop" sounds equate them with shots? Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #127
Its only 50x in 96 mos. of patrolling in a high crime area Bo Jun 2013 #138
I would think that this goes to motive warrior1 Jun 2013 #2
It does. 'Ill will.' And that opening statement from the prosecution matches this, too. freshwest Jun 2013 #93
This is news? The Red State Update duo already released them last year. Crowman1979 Jun 2013 #4
This isn't real, right? crim son Jun 2013 #7
Of course it's not real. But I'm sure the real phone calls are similar. Crowman1979 Jun 2013 #118
Quite possibly. n/t crim son Jun 2013 #126
Yes it's news naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #8
+1. The trial is current. The propaganda released in Z's defense doesn't mean it's not news now. freshwest Jun 2013 #95
his embellishments and assumptions riverwalker Jun 2013 #5
Agreed. Who made him judge and jury to decide who lives and who dies. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2013 #6
+100 freshwest Jun 2013 #96
open garage doors? Skittles Jun 2013 #22
Letting someone know that their garage door is open... Bay Boy Jun 2013 #31
Because he assumes it's a home invasion. onehandle Jun 2013 #40
Not saying you are wrong but if I were walking down the street and saw Bay Boy Jun 2013 #43
That's because you and I are not paranoid nuts. onehandle Jun 2013 #50
I think the jury will consider the level of crime in the neighborhood Babel_17 Jun 2013 #34
That's assuming Zimmerman ever testifies... Bay Boy Jun 2013 #48
I think I read that Florida law provides a goad for defendants to actively defend themselves Babel_17 Jun 2013 #56
Well, Vegas ain't taking odds on that. premium Jun 2013 #58
Living in a bad 'hood makes me less likely to call the cops XemaSab Jun 2013 #129
Could also be a problem for him because of a .... Myrina Jun 2013 #45
Zimmerman is like the offspring of an unholy union of Gladys Kravitz and Travis Bickle Tom Ripley Jun 2013 #59
'ABNER! Get my .44 Magnum!' nt onehandle Jun 2013 #62
"Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to ME???" Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #107
Next time try these local sources instead alp227 Jun 2013 #77
There is no reasonable doubt John2 Jun 2013 #79
Tow different analyses of his 911 patterns don't look very good for Zim LanternWaste Jun 2013 #80
I think one big benefit for the prosecution Just Saying Jun 2013 #91
I am happy to hear this and have been very curious about the numerous calls...speaks to his pov of Jefferson23 Jun 2013 #119
He Seems to Me to Be a Sorry Goofus Wolf Frankula Jun 2013 #124
Is there a web stream from anywhere for the trial? Myrina Jun 2013 #135
wildabouttrial.com has an app. jeepnstein Jun 2013 #136
Thanks - I found a link thru mediaite but it must have been overloading ... Myrina Jun 2013 #137
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