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121. It provides an opening for the defense

Wed Jun 26, 2013, 07:23 PM

Jun 2013

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judging by how the defense has been able to extract testimony very favorable to Zimmerman from prosecution witnesses, I suspect they can turn it to their advantage.

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Judge will allow past Zimmerman calls to police as evidence in murder trial [View all] onehandle Jun 2013 OP

This could be good for Zimmerman hack89 Jun 2013 #1

I agree naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #3

"These assholes always get away", "Fucking punks." Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #9

If they show that his past demeanor was calm and professional hack89 Jun 2013 #11

"Fucking punks" and "These assholes always get away" is calm and professional? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #12

When the jury only had one tape to listen to, you might be right. Now they have 50 tapes hack89 Jun 2013 #15

You don't see the Feb. 26th 911 call as Zimmerman's breaking point? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #20

Evidence is a two edged sword hack89 Jun 2013 #23

Right-wing source dpibel Jun 2013 #66

The witnesses said what they said. hack89 Jun 2013 #68

If you actually read the OP, you'd know they will hear 5 of those tapes, not 50. magical thyme Jun 2013 #89

"Jurors in the George Zimmerman murder trial will hear about nearly 50 calls ..." hack89 Jun 2013 #90

they will hear something *about* the nearly 50 calls, not "hear 50 calls" magical thyme Jun 2013 #92

OK hack89 Jun 2013 #94

when I took karate, we learned not to go for the knockout punch magical thyme Jun 2013 #102

Can the defense call for more of the tapes, now that the judge has ok'd an initial number? Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #125

I think they could. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #131

I guess it depends on how it's perceived. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #17

The prosecution undermined the "wannabe cop" argument with one of their own witnesses. hack89 Jun 2013 #19

Dorival also testified that it was not NW protocol to follow suspicious persons. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #25

Lets look at the actual testimony hack89 Jun 2013 #28

I wonder if he purchased his gun before or after he volunteered for the watch program. summerschild Jun 2013 #35

Declining the opportunity... Wait Wut Jun 2013 #39

We will see what it tells the jury. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #44

Yeah, that concerns me. Wait Wut Jun 2013 #47

It depends on John2 Jun 2013 #57

If those issues are not raised by the prosecution then the jury hack89 Jun 2013 #63

Would he have been able to carry his gun? n/t Just Saying Jun 2013 #78

I don't know. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #81

I'm noticing the pro-Zimmerman bias of some of these bloggers from Legal Insurrection. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #116

Our judicial system is biased toward innocence marshall Jun 2013 #133

That's a fair point. Thanks. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #134

Fifty phone calls in eight years is 1.92 calls per month, or nearly two calls 1monster Jun 2013 #32

Arithmetic is wrong. More like 1 every 2 months. nt. IphengeniaBlumgarten Jun 2013 #55

Show me where I went wrong. Maybe my formula is wrong. 1monster Jun 2013 #60

You've calculated months per call Captain Stern Jun 2013 #83

Thank you. I can be a bit backwards sometimes... 1monster Jun 2013 #111

As it's the prosecution who wanted to introduce this as evidence (and the defense that objected to i LanternWaste Jun 2013 #18

*The* most telling bit of information, ignored by those who've never been in court. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #101

And sometimes, not often, premium Jun 2013 #103

That prosecution team was the epitome of incompetence. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #108

Yeah, having a racist cop investigation OJ, a black man, premium Jun 2013 #110

Exactly! Hack89's assessment makes no sense. Why would the prosecution want the evidence Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #105

I'm not so sure. B Stieg Jun 2013 #21

It might also serve as an endorsement from the police, Jesus Malverde Jun 2013 #38

Once he bought a gun, his demeanor changed to one of "I'll show them." Hoyt Jun 2013 #73

So Hoyt, premium Jun 2013 #75

Pre, your support of Zimmerman - including his bigotry and love of guns - is duly noted. Carry on. Hoyt Jun 2013 #82

So Hoyt, we're back to the lie of me supporting Zimmerman? premium Jun 2013 #86

Also it could make or break the racial profiling charge marshall Jun 2013 #99

In which case it would be the defence wanting to use those recordings. /nt TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #120

It provides an opening for the defense hack89 Jun 2013 #121

Except that he did engage in racial profiling yardwork Jun 2013 #10

If all those calls don't show a pattern of racial profiling hack89 Jun 2013 #13

The prosecution is going to play only 5 more calls yardwork Jun 2013 #14

Considering how several key prosecution witnesses have helped Zimmerman so far hack89 Jun 2013 #16

I don't think any witnesses have helped Zimmerman too much. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #24

One witness undermined the "wannbe cop" argument hack89 Jun 2013 #26

Yeah, that could help go to reasonable doubt premium Jun 2013 #29

Again.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #33

Time will tell hack89 Jun 2013 #54

I don't know how this trial will proceed crim son Jun 2013 #42

I think he is guilty. I also thought Casey Anthony and OJ were guilty hack89 Jun 2013 #49

I see. crim son Jun 2013 #65

Well, OJ definitely was guilty, premium Jun 2013 #71

Wrong. To justify use of deadly force, the Defense has to prove with a preponderance of evidence. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #27

Except Florida law specifically permits the aggressor to use deadly force in certain circumstances. hack89 Jun 2013 #30

And that's where Zimmerman's injuries come in. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #37

"reasonably believes" hack89 Jun 2013 #52

If indeed it was actually "smashed" into "concrete". LanternWaste Jun 2013 #67

That's why we have trials and juries hack89 Jun 2013 #69

I imagine there are additional reason as to why we have trials and juries. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #70

There are plenty, I am sure. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #72

I have little doubt you are... n/t LanternWaste Jun 2013 #74

I can't come up with a more obtuse comment - you win. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #76

I don't think winning or losing defines a conversation LanternWaste Jun 2013 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Jun 2013 #85

For us both LanternWaste Jun 2013 #87

I deleted my comment - decided it was too snarky. hack89 Jun 2013 #88

That argument would make sense if Zimmerman didn't have a gun. And more important, if he Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #128

One Cronus Protagonist Jun 2013 #130

The law is in black and white hack89 Jun 2013 #132

You are not unbiased. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #41

Pot, meet kettle. premium Jun 2013 #46

Yea, he's open minded. LiberalAndProud Jun 2013 #51

So, IOW, premium Jun 2013 #53

So why have I posted so many times that Zimmerman is guilty? hack89 Jun 2013 #61

I'm not John2 Jun 2013 #36

Here is one lawyers analysis of the state's day in court. hack89 Jun 2013 #64

Just because this guy, John2 Jun 2013 #100

Lawyers are like assholes. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #112

Everyone hates lawyers premium Jun 2013 #114

The prosecution wants to bring this evidence in, so I would assume to the JDPriestly Jun 2013 #97

So far the prosecutions witnesses have helped Z just as much as they have hurt hack89 Jun 2013 #98

Your logic makes no sense. Why would the prosecution submit these tapes if there is nothing Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #104

Because it opens a door for the defense hack89 Jun 2013 #106

You said: What if you have 50 calls with no racial profiling? 50 calls with no profanity? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #109

One witness undermined the "wannbe cop" argument hack89 Jun 2013 #113

I was not familiar with these testimonies. As such, there's always witness testimony that gets Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #115

Trials take on a life of their own that sometimes defies logic hack89 Jun 2013 #117

Why do you, John2 Jun 2013 #122

I think Zimmerman is guilty hack89 Jun 2013 #123

Did the witness who testified to the "pop, pop, pop" sounds equate them with shots? Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #127

Its only 50x in 96 mos. of patrolling in a high crime area Bo Jun 2013 #138

I would think that this goes to motive warrior1 Jun 2013 #2

It does. 'Ill will.' And that opening statement from the prosecution matches this, too. freshwest Jun 2013 #93

This is news? The Red State Update duo already released them last year. Crowman1979 Jun 2013 #4

This isn't real, right? crim son Jun 2013 #7

Of course it's not real. But I'm sure the real phone calls are similar. Crowman1979 Jun 2013 #118

Quite possibly. n/t crim son Jun 2013 #126

Yes it's news naaman fletcher Jun 2013 #8

+1. The trial is current. The propaganda released in Z's defense doesn't mean it's not news now. freshwest Jun 2013 #95

his embellishments and assumptions riverwalker Jun 2013 #5

Agreed. Who made him judge and jury to decide who lives and who dies. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2013 #6

+100 freshwest Jun 2013 #96

open garage doors? Skittles Jun 2013 #22

Letting someone know that their garage door is open... Bay Boy Jun 2013 #31

Because he assumes it's a home invasion. onehandle Jun 2013 #40

Not saying you are wrong but if I were walking down the street and saw Bay Boy Jun 2013 #43

That's because you and I are not paranoid nuts. onehandle Jun 2013 #50

I think the jury will consider the level of crime in the neighborhood Babel_17 Jun 2013 #34

That's assuming Zimmerman ever testifies... Bay Boy Jun 2013 #48

I think I read that Florida law provides a goad for defendants to actively defend themselves Babel_17 Jun 2013 #56

Well, Vegas ain't taking odds on that. premium Jun 2013 #58

Living in a bad 'hood makes me less likely to call the cops XemaSab Jun 2013 #129

Could also be a problem for him because of a .... Myrina Jun 2013 #45

Zimmerman is like the offspring of an unholy union of Gladys Kravitz and Travis Bickle Tom Ripley Jun 2013 #59

'ABNER! Get my .44 Magnum!' nt onehandle Jun 2013 #62

"Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to ME???" Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #107

Next time try these local sources instead alp227 Jun 2013 #77

There is no reasonable doubt John2 Jun 2013 #79

Tow different analyses of his 911 patterns don't look very good for Zim LanternWaste Jun 2013 #80

I think one big benefit for the prosecution Just Saying Jun 2013 #91

I am happy to hear this and have been very curious about the numerous calls...speaks to his pov of Jefferson23 Jun 2013 #119

He Seems to Me to Be a Sorry Goofus Wolf Frankula Jun 2013 #124

Is there a web stream from anywhere for the trial? Myrina Jun 2013 #135

wildabouttrial.com has an app. jeepnstein Jun 2013 #136

Thanks - I found a link thru mediaite but it must have been overloading ... Myrina Jun 2013 #137