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Maedhros

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110. I think your comparison is ridiculous.

Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:02 PM

Aug 2013

Neocons trotted out the "Saddam is Hitler!" schtick before we invaded Iraq.

I have not advocated "doing nothing." I am simply dead-set against dropping bombs on people because our State Department can't find anything better to do.

It is still not clear who is responsible for the chemical attack. There are conflicting reports, and the UN team has not released its findings. You are choosing to take the Administration's word on it, which is a mistake because the Administration has a vested interest in the outcome.

Even if it's determined Assad launched the attack, the proposed "limited strike" will not prevent future atrocities. All it will do is kill people, and I'm not so cavalier as you regarding collateral damage.

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Kerry Makes Case That Syria Used Chemical Weapons [View all] onehandle Aug 2013 OP

Mustard, sarin and VX Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #1

Nothing is more fun than VX. jessie04 Aug 2013 #27

Intelligence MY ASS I heard last night on Mark Thompson show who we are relying on for intelligence bigdarryl Aug 2013 #2

His Powell moment. go west young man Aug 2013 #3

Indeed. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #12

Thank you Secretary of State Kerry! golfguru Aug 2013 #4

+ a million Number23 Aug 2013 #10

No - we're pissed that this Administration is using the same playbook as Bush: Maedhros Aug 2013 #15

Bullshit. That's not what this admnistration is doing and only a full-fledged fool would think so Number23 Aug 2013 #17

say it uhnope Aug 2013 #36

Have the UN inspectors finished their investigation and released their findings? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #37

The State Dept Report is missing something essential- any specific evidence of command authorization leveymg Aug 2013 #72

See, that's what I want to see before I support action: Maedhros Aug 2013 #75

"or the work of an over-zealous officer" arewenotdemo Aug 2013 #79

It would be extraordinarily intreresting if the rumours were true that it's leveymg Aug 2013 #81

People never seem to consider that Assad's army is heavily infiltrated by the rebels. Democracyinkind Aug 2013 #101

Obama, Kerry & Hagel golfguru Aug 2013 #19

Democrats never lie. Never. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #21

I am old enough to know all politicians lie at times golfguru Aug 2013 #23

Nothing to gain? avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #28

Did you vote in the 2012 election? golfguru Aug 2013 #34

that's a damn good question, and one that i imagine many citizens will be asking themselves in 2014. frylock Aug 2013 #54

Access carla Aug 2013 #30

how a pealing. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2013 #55

Dipping into the bottomless war chest is the gain. It's ALWAYS the gain. nt valerief Aug 2013 #41

How cynical of you! golfguru Aug 2013 #60

But I imagine you're totally on board Maedhros Aug 2013 #64

It really should not surprise you golfguru Aug 2013 #68

Our intervention in Syria is guaranteed to cause civilian casualties. Maedhros Aug 2013 #71

When the crime is inhuman and atrocious golfguru Aug 2013 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author daleo Aug 2013 #88

So killing civilians with chemical weapons is inhuman daleo Aug 2013 #89

Apples and Oranges golfguru Aug 2013 #94

We have to destroy civilians to save them? Maedhros Aug 2013 #95

A dozen civilians as collateral better than 1200 civilians later golfguru Aug 2013 #107

But nothing we can do will guarantee that future attacks won't happen. Maedhros Aug 2013 #108

In recorded history appeasement has been the absolute worse golfguru Aug 2013 #109

I think your comparison is ridiculous. Maedhros Aug 2013 #110

The FSA is the Syrian Army defected. go west young man Aug 2013 #66

Agreed, solid proof is an absolute must before any attack golfguru Aug 2013 #69

"They will not lie to us." ronnie624 Aug 2013 #92

No. It is very simplistic thinking to equate the two. Kerry... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #45

What should I believe? Maedhros Aug 2013 #46

It's not about belief. It is about facts. INFORM yourself... YvonneCa Aug 2013 #49

I do my best to inform myself, thank you. Maedhros Aug 2013 #63

Kerry voted for the IWR. Therefore, the blood of every casualty of that war is partly on his hands. arewenotdemo Aug 2013 #80

Thank you, arewenotdemo Carolina Aug 2013 #87

Agree entirely, Carolina. arewenotdemo Aug 2013 #97

The report talks about the evidence, but none of us get to see any of the evidence as far JDPriestly Aug 2013 #35

"we do not hear (at least in our media) Assad protesting" - really? Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #59

Thaaaaaaaaaaank you !! +1,000,000 jessie04 Aug 2013 #29

+ 1e10 Sand Wind Aug 2013 #39

Choose to believe Jessy169 Aug 2013 #5

That doesn't prevent a situation where the people who tell Obama and Kerry what the deal is AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #11

I trust Kerry and Obama to be smart enough to recognize lies when they see them Jessy169 Aug 2013 #16

They've made a very late and very soft case for the intervention. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #31

Do they recognize lies when they TELL them? FiveGoodMen Aug 2013 #74

Great question! arewenotdemo Aug 2013 #82

" In this case, I choose to believe. I don't feel that I have any other choice." carla Aug 2013 #32

Bush supporters said this back in the day daleo Aug 2013 #90

You forgot the link maddezmom Aug 2013 #6

Coming. nt onehandle Aug 2013 #7

Thanks maddezmom Aug 2013 #24

I'm interested in what the UN will find MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #8

Government Assessment statement link. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #9

I don't want "evidence". I want PROOF! n/t SpankMe Aug 2013 #13

There is no link in the OP (?) Maedhros Aug 2013 #14

There is a rule in LBN requiring posters to use the exact headline of the article. Mosby Aug 2013 #20

Right. And that was the breaking news headline when I posted it. onehandle Aug 2013 #22

I think I found the wrong story... Maedhros Aug 2013 #40

Play those funky war drums white boy. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #18

Kerry is a great statesman, great democrat, great american and great humanitarium. jessie04 Aug 2013 #25

Just got the assessment from a journalist friend... carla Aug 2013 #26

What do you mean by Glaspie Moment, what was said ? jakeXT Aug 2013 #62

The bet is that the "War Choir" has ratcheted up the chorus. So here we go again! -- n/t mazzarro Aug 2013 #67

Glaspie Moment? karynnj Aug 2013 #91

What they do not seem to get is that most of us realize that chemical weapons were used. What we jwirr Aug 2013 #33

Kerry know what he is talking about. it's an honourable man. Sand Wind Aug 2013 #38

And just who are you? [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #42

He is from John2 Aug 2013 #43

Colin Powell was far more convincing about Iraq. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2013 #44

Powell was talking about something that could happen, Kerry talked about something that did Sand Wind Aug 2013 #47

False equivalency is seldom a rational argument Politicub Aug 2013 #50

I trust Kerry Politicub Aug 2013 #48

And North Korea and Zimbabwe, and several other nations come to mind. ChairmanAgnostic Aug 2013 #52

I wish we could help all people oppressed by violence Politicub Aug 2013 #70

Colin Powell offered concrete evidence, too.... mike_c Aug 2013 #51

Just a pinch of this anthrax looking flour..... The_Casual_Observer Aug 2013 #56

Now, that's funny. Chef hat on head. arewenotdemo Aug 2013 #84

he may as well have been holding a tampon Skittles Aug 2013 #76

Apparently there were confirming accounts on twitter and other social media. The_Casual_Observer Aug 2013 #53

LOL. arewenotdemo Aug 2013 #96

even if true, we should not be involved bowens43 Aug 2013 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #58

It's criminal how short our memories are. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #61

"The United States of Amnesia" arewenotdemo Aug 2013 #85

So fitting. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #86

how honorably courageous frylock Aug 2013 #65

Whether true or not, the US had better not intervene. It will be a disaster. David__77 Aug 2013 #73

It's a pity that Susan Rice isn't Sec of State elias49 Aug 2013 #77

Recent turns of events sort of strike me as her handiwork. leveymg Aug 2013 #83

How agist karynnj Aug 2013 #93

Not agist.. elias49 Aug 2013 #103

Kerry's ideas are no more "conventional" than Susan Rice's karynnj Aug 2013 #104

The 2003 Iraq Bush/Cheney/Powell comparisons are a false equivalent davidpdx Aug 2013 #98

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #100

Thank you underpants Aug 2013 #102

For more information on where you can join, or organize, anti-war protests Lonr Aug 2013 #99

Yellowcake XemaSab Aug 2013 #105

Dyingchildren onehandle Aug 2013 #106