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ET Awful

(24,788 posts)
43. So your argument boils down to
Wed Oct 23, 2013, 05:27 AM
Oct 2013

a misbelief that employers won't ask people to have a full working knowledge of computers and the internet?

Let me tell you, in over 20 years of working in law firms, pharmaceutical companies, ad agencies and many other industries, unless you want people only working manual labor, we don't hire people who can't use a computer without asking for help every five minutes.

If I ask an employee to research a product, a client, a new software program or anything else, guess what they have to use to do that. Go ahead, let me know.

Most employers don't have the time to train people how to do the fundamental aspects of their job, sorry. That's why they hire people who already have skills and training.

What you're describing is training people to the lowest common denominator. Do you know what that does? That makes employers look past those people and hire the skills elsewhere, such as H1B visa holders, etc.

This may come as a shock to you, but in the 21st century, using a computer IS the job in most situations.

For instance, if we're looking for an analytical chemist, that person doesn't just need to know chemistry, they need to know how to use HPLC devices connected to computers running specialized software that in turn exports data to be used in Excel and other programs to generate reports, supporting documentation and other forms of data required for our records.

Do you think our company would hire someone who was merely a chemist with no background using the same or similar software?

If we were looking for an ad exec/graphic design person, do you think we'd hire someone who had no experience using page layout software, graphic design software, etc?

Here's another hint for you - both of those jobs require frequent use of the internet to do research, analyze the competition, etc.

You're stuck in decades old thinking and working in a mindset that keeps the US behind in education, etc.

If we use your criteria, you're not just setting students up for substandard education, but setting them up for difficulty even getting into college which also requires use of computers, internet research, etc.

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Apple has been gouging schools since the early 80's. tridim Oct 2013 #1
The Schools Can't RobinA Oct 2013 #23
I can see the benefits of students having a tablet... penultimate Oct 2013 #27
Why not just buy the linux-equivalent to the ipad for probably half the price? Crowman1979 Oct 2013 #2
Why not "old fashion" laptops???? happyslug Oct 2013 #8
You don't need a modem to access the internet. ET Awful Oct 2013 #9
Books had no "Network" connectivity, but were effective for centuries happyslug Oct 2013 #12
If you were teaching children to function 20 years ago, you'd have a point. ET Awful Oct 2013 #14
Phooey RobinA Oct 2013 #29
Quick - tell me if your HR department would hire someone who didn't know how to use a computer ET Awful Oct 2013 #30
No one is claiming NOT to use computers, but we are discussing connection from and to the computer happyslug Oct 2013 #35
So your argument boils down to ET Awful Oct 2013 #43
The good old days, where the Bible and the Sears catalog vinny9698 Oct 2013 #34
You lost me..... happyslug Oct 2013 #37
Yeah, and nobody need cars or trucks either, they had horsedrawn carriages for centuries ET Awful Oct 2013 #44
I agree, why Apple? They suck. Someone is getting a kickback. nt docgee Oct 2013 #15
Apple has been dominant in schools for decades. onehandle Oct 2013 #22
I don't think so, very limited in my schools and most students wouldn't use them later in life, docgee Oct 2013 #25
heh... wait. But what else should a phone be used for? penultimate Oct 2013 #28
LOL, I guess that's true, but I have the hardest time with docgee Oct 2013 #32
I have similar feelings about iPhones based on my personal usage of them penultimate Oct 2013 #33
Coke/Pepsi products have been dominant in schools for decades Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #26
Apple used to give mad discounts to schools... bobclark86 Oct 2013 #31
An absolute boondoggle. enlightenment Oct 2013 #3
We have an iPad 4 at home NewJeffCT Oct 2013 #6
$400 million could hire more/better teachers. tinrobot Oct 2013 #4
We did that once. Igel Oct 2013 #39
You missed the part where I said "better" tinrobot Oct 2013 #45
Why does buying in bulk cost more? NewJeffCT Oct 2013 #5
Apple products delivered to schools, always include the highest level of service and many extras. onehandle Oct 2013 #7
i"includes curriculum from Pearson Education Inc. that is still being developed"???? happyslug Oct 2013 #10
well there you go - it's Apple + the Pearson Education = boondoggle Locrian Oct 2013 #20
Who said anything about "cheap off brands"? enlightenment Oct 2013 #11
Sorry, you misunderstand the point... brooklynite Oct 2013 #13
Thanks, that helps. onehandle Oct 2013 #17
As the one who started the thread let me say kiva Oct 2013 #41
Perhaps so...but the rest of the thread is the Apple bashing we've come to know and love... brooklynite Oct 2013 #42
I don't see that represented in a $100 markup per student Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #16
Apple does have buyback deals. Especially for iPads, which retain the highest value in tech... onehandle Oct 2013 #21
Forgive me if you're already answered this Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #24
Pearson runs on Flash already. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2013 #19
Weirdest part... Gore1FL Oct 2013 #18
can they share the cost with another school district to lower the price ? JI7 Oct 2013 #36
It's the other costs that run up ThoughtCriminal Oct 2013 #38
It takes a lot of thought to go one-to-one. Igel Oct 2013 #40
Apple is just continuing the corporate money scam on our schools... blackspade Oct 2013 #46
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