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freshwest

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14. If they believe 'the Ukrainian people must be free to determine their own future' and some want to
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:30 PM
Mar 2014
form another government, it's just as valid as the one in Kiev. FDR was for the principle of self-determination based on how the people of nations wanted to be formed. Ukraine was created by outside forces.

That's the logic with Canada's tongue-in-cheek statement. It could be construed either way, can't be applied unequally. There is no stopping history being made. Canada likes the current government in Kiev.

The eastern and southern parts of Ukraine now feel they are being repressed. It would have been better if all this on both sides was handled in a slow, deliberate fashion without violence.

But it was not, and the chips will fall where they may, no matter what anyone says. And it really is their business, that of the Ukrainians themselves, not the EU or the USA. We can swear all we want.

I say this because it's being used by our own wingnuts, like Corker, to start egging the Russians on with sanctions. They wanted sanctions against Iran, too. The Teapublicans still want to run the Oval Office from the Senate Gym. Fuck 'em.

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Nationwide general mobilization Berlin Expat Mar 2014 #1
That's 1 am EST. rug Mar 2014 #3
Yep, you're right. I had to Berlin Expat Mar 2014 #4
Keep your head down. This can spread fast. rug Mar 2014 #6
Indeed. The mood here Berlin Expat Mar 2014 #8
Shit. rug Mar 2014 #9
UK and France to follow Iliyah Mar 2014 #2
France ain't getting involved in no Russian war cosmicone Mar 2014 #30
K&R Cha Mar 2014 #5
Good catch! The First World War was going to be quick and easy too . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #7
If Canada told the Russians to leave, that's serious. Bill76 Mar 2014 #10
Nuclear duct tape is devastating. L0oniX Mar 2014 #11
Those damn warmongering Canadians! baldguy Mar 2014 #12
Nobody here but the Neoliberals? Demeter Mar 2014 #13
Well, we can't afford to take care of our veterans. So we left the door open for them to take it up. freshwest Mar 2014 #17
I happen to like poutine. baldguy Mar 2014 #19
It will be one of the benefits granted by our Canadian overlords. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #20
Well in that case, I welcome our new Canuck overlords Scootaloo Mar 2014 #26
If they believe 'the Ukrainian people must be free to determine their own future' and some want to freshwest Mar 2014 #14
They (Harper's Government) CHIMO Mar 2014 #16
So, if the Southern Republicans want to form another Confederate States, that's okay with you? brooklynite Mar 2014 #23
Nope. Apples and Oranges. Their history goes back before this was a country. freshwest Mar 2014 #24
Harper can send his kids to fight Russia daleo Mar 2014 #15
Harper or Obama are not going to send troops to Ukraine. Say what you totodeinhere Mar 2014 #22
I've been thinking about the centennial independentpiney Mar 2014 #18
Agreed. And Corker can stuff a cork in it. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #21
Keystone Pipeline will also be approved soon, I'll bet. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #25
Why should it be? The oil won't go to the USA, period. Straight through to China from Canada: freshwest Mar 2014 #27
Yeah...but...I always thought it would be approved. Regardless of TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #29
But it's not our source; it's Canada's. And it won't be for us, at all. In the links you can see it freshwest Mar 2014 #31
In other news, Saudi Arabia told the Chinese to stop eating pork. n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #28
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