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okaawhatever

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23. There were several things happening during the next year or two that would have put NATO and
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 04:13 PM
Mar 2014

European countries in a better position to deal with Russia both militarily and financially. The US and N African countries are close to being able to export Liquefied Natural Gas which will lessen the stranglehold on Russia's imports to EU countries. The missile defense shield. Georgia was ready to sign an EU agreement, even sending the government officials to Washington DC to ask for support against Russian aggression close to the time they do.
In Ukraine, they had just signed gas exploration deals with Dutch Shell and Exxon to develop their own gas fields, again not just taking money from Russia for the actual gas, but removing the noose Russia's had around the neck of Ukraine regarding energy. Ukraine also signed deals with two oil companies for oil exploration in the Black Sea.
Signing the EU agreement would have forced the Ukraine government and state owned gas company and pipelines to be more transparent about their deals with Russia and other countries. Putin wasn't about to let that happen.

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NATO will be what ultimately stops Putin if he has bigger designs. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #1
Ukraine had already worked out a non-member cooperation with NATO. They were doing training okaawhatever Mar 2014 #22
Romania already has a deal Baclava Mar 2014 #2
I can't help but Berlin Expat Mar 2014 #6
I think he held back on a missile defense phase, and now it's a new bargaining chip-- TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #8
Good question as to Berlin Expat Mar 2014 #12
There were several things happening during the next year or two that would have put NATO and okaawhatever Mar 2014 #23
Like to guess who will be asked to pay for an almost useless . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #17
If I recall correctly, Kyrgyzstan was kicking us out because Putin TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #7
Yes, that's the case. Russia allowed it for a while because they're enemies with Afghanistan and the okaawhatever Mar 2014 #24
Are Europeans Upset about Putin? chuckstevens Mar 2014 #3
They want and need Russian natural gas. Laelth Mar 2014 #10
Good Point chuckstevens Mar 2014 #11
Actually, the U.S. is a natural gas exporter now. The Stranger Mar 2014 #19
Feel free to built a pipeline. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #25
I think they liquefy and ship it. The Stranger Mar 2014 #33
They do / are able to do so dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #35
Because if the Ukraine dissolves into civil war then Europe gets to pick up the bits fedsron2us Mar 2014 #16
Quoting the Rupert Murdoch's "War Street Journal" without comment? rdharma Mar 2014 #4
of course I am steve2470 Mar 2014 #5
Thanks, and we should make, elleng Mar 2014 #14
Depending on the source, news coverage and analysis are often pretty much the same. rdharma Mar 2014 #18
Yes, of course. elleng Mar 2014 #21
I visited Lithuania in 1995, and was able to talk to quite a few Lithuanians. amandabeech Mar 2014 #13
I was in Latvia and the same holds true. tavernier Mar 2014 #45
Thanks for posting. amandabeech Mar 2014 #46
Everyone says it is his KGB background. tavernier Mar 2014 #48
We can only hope. amandabeech Mar 2014 #49
But you've recommended articles from Russia Today. Do you think Russia Today is a legitimate okaawhatever Mar 2014 #28
"Murdoch doesn't own the WSJ" rdharma Mar 2014 #40
Yes, actually I was confused for a minute. I was thinking of WaPo. But why do you trust Russia Today okaawhatever Mar 2014 #42
More detailed info on what is going on in Ukraine. rdharma Mar 2014 #43
Bear in mind dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #9
"The scam didn't go too well with Russia." EX500rider Mar 2014 #29
so you know more than missile defense experts? You're the ultimate voice in whether the okaawhatever Mar 2014 #30
Didn't go down to well dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #32
that wasn't the point you made. You called it a "joke" and a "scam". What makes it a joke, or okaawhatever Mar 2014 #36
The selling line for it dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #38
That's what the first three phases were for. It was the fourth phase that was questionable due to okaawhatever Mar 2014 #41
The Baltics Have A Reason To Fear Russian Expansionism DallasNE Mar 2014 #15
How much worse can the Ukraine situation get? The Stranger Mar 2014 #20
Much worse? EX500rider Mar 2014 #26
A civil war shouldn't be a likely outcome. Ethnic Russians only make up 17% of the population. It okaawhatever Mar 2014 #37
A few minutes ago on CNN, either Anderson Cooper or his guest, amandabeech Mar 2014 #27
Merkel is the one who would be least likely to make that statement. Remember, Germany sided with okaawhatever Mar 2014 #31
I found the story in the Guardian, but frankly, I'm so upset that I can't seem amandabeech Mar 2014 #34
Wow thanks for that. There's nothing more dangerous than someone okaawhatever Mar 2014 #39
I'm seeing coverage on CNN, Al Jazeera, WaPo, NYT at British papers. amandabeech Mar 2014 #44
Indeed scary... Deep North Mar 2014 #47
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