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dipsydoodle

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9. Random link to subject here
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:50 PM
May 2014

A secret cable released by Wikileaks on Tuesday revealed that Washington had been warned by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as early as 2008 that US-EU-NATO interfering in Ukraine would result in the country splitting in two.

The 2008 cable classified by William Burns, then US Ambassador to Moscow and currently the US Deputy Secretary of State stated:

"Following a muted first reaction to Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP) at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition, stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion as a potential military threat."

The cable further revealed that the former Russian foreign minister and Moscow believed that NATO's involvement and expansion in Ukraine and Georgia was not based on security measures but rather a leftover legacy of the Cold War.

Ukraine and Georgia have lobbied to become members of NATO for some years, with full backing of the US, but their proposal for membership was rejected by the alliance at the NATO summit in Bucharest in 2008.

http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/2314/20140513/wikileaks-secret-cable-russia-nato.htm

Another here on the subject :

Is the Russian occupation of the Crimea a case of aggressive expansionism by Moscow or aimed at at blocking a scheme by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to roll right up to the Russia’s western border? WikiLeaks has revealed a secret cable describing a meeting between French and American diplomats that suggests the latter, a plan that has been in the works since at least 2009.

Titled “A/S Gordon’s meeting with policy makers in Paris,” the cable summarizes a Sept. 16, 2009 get-together between Philip Gordon, then assistant U.S. Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, and French diplomats Jean-David Levitte, Damien Loras, and Francois Richier. Gordon is currently a special assistant to President Obama on the Middle East.

While the bulk of the cable covers an exchange of views concerning Iran, the second to last item is entitled “NATO’s enlargement and strategic concept.” At this point Levitte, former French ambassador to the U.S. from 2002 to 2007, interjects that “[French] President [Nicholas] Sarkozy was ‘convinced’ that Ukraine would one day be a member of NATO, but that there was no point in rushing the process and antagonizing Russia, particularly if the Ukrainian public was largely against membership.” Gordon goes on to paraphrase Levitte’s opinion that, “the Bucharest summit declaration was very clear that NATO had an open door and Ukraine and Georgia have a vocation in NATO.”

Levitte is currently a fellow at the conservative Brookings Institute.

At the April 2008 NATO summit in Romania, Croatia and Albania were asked to join—they did so in 2009—and postponed a decision concerning Georgia and Ukraine until December 2008. But in August, Georgian forces attacked the breakaway province of South Ossetia—possibly under the delusion that NATO would come to their aid—setting off a short and disastrous war with Russia. The vote on Georgia and Ukraine was shelved both by that war and a Gallup Poll indicating that 40 percent of Ukrainians considered NATO a threat, while only 17 percent had a favorable view of the alliance.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/13/wikileaks-ukraine-and-nato/

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Elsehwere you will find dipsydoodle May 2014 #1
No one is suggesting that NATO wants them to join karynnj May 2014 #3
Random link to subject here dipsydoodle May 2014 #9
And only a minority want to break up Ukraine. There are 6 EU countries not in NATO. pampango May 2014 #7
Ukraine is now close to having a trade agreement with the EU : dipsydoodle May 2014 #10
I agree about their very slim chance of joining the EU but some here think it is imminent, pampango May 2014 #26
If this keeps up.... balthazar2 May 2014 #2
We haven't been out of it since the beginning. n/t jtuck004 May 2014 #6
The US has not yet invaded Ukraine with troops. balthazar2 May 2014 #11
Working with groups that depose an elected leader is just as military jtuck004 May 2014 #12
Covert operations is war by other means. JackRiddler May 2014 #18
Hey Jack! Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #22
I appreciate the kicks! JackRiddler May 2014 #23
Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #24
Funny, your Yanukovich obsession... JackRiddler May 2014 #25
Okay. Seriously, is there something wrong with your congitive abilities? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #27
Kong-itive, you say? JackRiddler May 2014 #28
Okay, let me try this a different way. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #29
You don't get to frame this. JackRiddler May 2014 #30
And Putin has not reacted the way they presumed and hoped he would..... go west young man May 2014 #37
It was a pretty open-ended question. How and why did Yanukovych leave Ukraine in February 2014? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #45
You are pushing the conspiracy theory JackRiddler May 2014 #46
Biggest miscalculation of the CIA cosmicone May 2014 #4
Maybe they could borrow the "Welcome America" signs that "he" said the Iraqi's would display? n/t jtuck004 May 2014 #8
how many more must die for Putin's "New Russia" designs on Europe? uhnope May 2014 #5
"New Russia" actually refers to a portion of what is now Ukraine. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #13
xcept that Putin himself said. "“The question is to ensure the rights and interests of the Russian s LanternWaste May 2014 #14
Todays generation of Russian's mainly use the term go west young man May 2014 #15
Novorossiya Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #17
What you post is for yourself....and Americans who have a Cold War mentality and go west young man May 2014 #20
That's not the New Russia we're talking about here. Putin wasn't talking about it either. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #21
Thanks for telling me how it is.... go west young man May 2014 #38
That's the Putin quote. Just the proper context of "Novorossiya"/"New Russia" here. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #44
Ah, just continue to let him continue to be ignorant davidpdx May 2014 #42
Great videos! ballyhoo May 2014 #19
FYI: RBTH is the Kremlin. moondust May 2014 #36
Yes it is.... go west young man May 2014 #39
So "Americans who have a Cold War mentality and moondust May 2014 #40
If I had a dollar for every DU'er who labeled me as Russian go west young man May 2014 #41
If we had a dollar for every time a DU'er was labeled as "Americans who have a Cold War mentality pampango May 2014 #43
And it was Ukraine before it was controlled by the Russians. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #16
Can you be a bit more open about your JackRiddler May 2014 #31
Kiev was Russian before Moscow was founded independentpiney May 2014 #32
It was Rusian. Igel May 2014 #34
I stand corrected Rusian nt independentpiney May 2014 #35
The way borders have changed over the centuries in Europe and Asia pampango May 2014 #33
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