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In reply to the discussion: Ukraine Slides Deeper Toward War as Russia Warns on Vote [View all]JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)that everything bad that happens in the Ukraine is the result of action by ethno-Russians and the president of Russia. Even though the latter especially, no matter how evil, has no interest whatsoever in a civil war in Ukraine, or annexing territories that Russia was already exploiting but that as new Russian provinces would come with their own built-in, new, violent insurgency.
And at the same time, you push the coincidence theory that the obvious, announced involvements of NATO and the State Department and the CIA ("NED" , and even the FBI, do not matter and mean nothing. These involvements began long before the banker Yatsenyuk's group came to power. You'd like to trivialize the open public endorsement of the State Department for an extraconstitutional regime change (sounds like a coup!) as a matter of Nuland handing out those cookies you are obsessed with.
This is a consistently upheld double standard on behalf of a fantasy that there was a democratic, legitimate transition, or that the present government is not destroying the country by fomenting civil war, when it so evidently is. It dispenses with examination of what's actually going on and it's nonsense.
Perhaps Yanukovich fled in a cowardly fashion, or perhaps by fleeing (after clearing out some of his plunder) he averted (for that time) the bloodbath that your Nazi allies had already initiated. There are worse things he could have done than to sneak out in the middle of the night. He could have gone for the Tiananmen Square solution, would that have caused you to respect him more? I suppose you would have been more impressed with the small-time kleptocrat if he'd made some bellicose speech pitting the West against Russia in an ongoing war, like Yatsenyuk just did on May 9th. Standing tall for World War III! Why does this matter now?
You never address who is in charge now: the government chosen by State Department-CIA, NATO and EU, using disaster capitalism to impose austerity, being willing to incite ethnic civil war so as to maintain its power, working with Nazis, burning people for protesting, dressing up its attack helicopters in UN colors, and (as of May 9) talking up a war with Russia in which the West is supposedly standing tall alongside the Kiev regime.
As an American, my primary concern should be whether the American government takes a side in this conflict materially, gets involved with aid, money, arms, announcements, ultimata, and the risk of a World War, or else engages in negotiations and forces its Kiev wild-dog to back down.
So now that you have your precious answer to your Yanukovich at Night question, you will continue to avoid what the Kiev regime is and rationalize anything they do as the (ethno-)Russians' fault. More importantly, from a DU perspective, you will continue to contribute to the New Cold War propaganda and selling a disastrous imperialist involvement for the U.S.
U.S. out of Ukraine, assist in a negotiated, peaceful solution. Peace above all, because escalation is a potential global disaster. It's that simple.
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