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JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
46. You are pushing the conspiracy theory
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:44 AM
May 2014

that everything bad that happens in the Ukraine is the result of action by ethno-Russians and the president of Russia. Even though the latter especially, no matter how evil, has no interest whatsoever in a civil war in Ukraine, or annexing territories that Russia was already exploiting but that as new Russian provinces would come with their own built-in, new, violent insurgency.

And at the same time, you push the coincidence theory that the obvious, announced involvements of NATO and the State Department and the CIA ("NED&quot , and even the FBI, do not matter and mean nothing. These involvements began long before the banker Yatsenyuk's group came to power. You'd like to trivialize the open public endorsement of the State Department for an extraconstitutional regime change (sounds like a coup!) as a matter of Nuland handing out those cookies you are obsessed with.

This is a consistently upheld double standard on behalf of a fantasy that there was a democratic, legitimate transition, or that the present government is not destroying the country by fomenting civil war, when it so evidently is. It dispenses with examination of what's actually going on and it's nonsense.

Perhaps Yanukovich fled in a cowardly fashion, or perhaps by fleeing (after clearing out some of his plunder) he averted (for that time) the bloodbath that your Nazi allies had already initiated. There are worse things he could have done than to sneak out in the middle of the night. He could have gone for the Tiananmen Square solution, would that have caused you to respect him more? I suppose you would have been more impressed with the small-time kleptocrat if he'd made some bellicose speech pitting the West against Russia in an ongoing war, like Yatsenyuk just did on May 9th. Standing tall for World War III! Why does this matter now?

You never address who is in charge now: the government chosen by State Department-CIA, NATO and EU, using disaster capitalism to impose austerity, being willing to incite ethnic civil war so as to maintain its power, working with Nazis, burning people for protesting, dressing up its attack helicopters in UN colors, and (as of May 9) talking up a war with Russia in which the West is supposedly standing tall alongside the Kiev regime.

As an American, my primary concern should be whether the American government takes a side in this conflict materially, gets involved with aid, money, arms, announcements, ultimata, and the risk of a World War, or else engages in negotiations and forces its Kiev wild-dog to back down.

So now that you have your precious answer to your Yanukovich at Night question, you will continue to avoid what the Kiev regime is and rationalize anything they do as the (ethno-)Russians' fault. More importantly, from a DU perspective, you will continue to contribute to the New Cold War propaganda and selling a disastrous imperialist involvement for the U.S.

U.S. out of Ukraine, assist in a negotiated, peaceful solution. Peace above all, because escalation is a potential global disaster. It's that simple.

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Elsehwere you will find dipsydoodle May 2014 #1
No one is suggesting that NATO wants them to join karynnj May 2014 #3
Random link to subject here dipsydoodle May 2014 #9
And only a minority want to break up Ukraine. There are 6 EU countries not in NATO. pampango May 2014 #7
Ukraine is now close to having a trade agreement with the EU : dipsydoodle May 2014 #10
I agree about their very slim chance of joining the EU but some here think it is imminent, pampango May 2014 #26
If this keeps up.... balthazar2 May 2014 #2
We haven't been out of it since the beginning. n/t jtuck004 May 2014 #6
The US has not yet invaded Ukraine with troops. balthazar2 May 2014 #11
Working with groups that depose an elected leader is just as military jtuck004 May 2014 #12
Covert operations is war by other means. JackRiddler May 2014 #18
Hey Jack! Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #22
I appreciate the kicks! JackRiddler May 2014 #23
Jack, Jack, Jack, Jack. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #24
Funny, your Yanukovich obsession... JackRiddler May 2014 #25
Okay. Seriously, is there something wrong with your congitive abilities? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #27
Kong-itive, you say? JackRiddler May 2014 #28
Okay, let me try this a different way. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #29
You don't get to frame this. JackRiddler May 2014 #30
And Putin has not reacted the way they presumed and hoped he would..... go west young man May 2014 #37
It was a pretty open-ended question. How and why did Yanukovych leave Ukraine in February 2014? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #45
You are pushing the conspiracy theory JackRiddler May 2014 #46
Biggest miscalculation of the CIA cosmicone May 2014 #4
Maybe they could borrow the "Welcome America" signs that "he" said the Iraqi's would display? n/t jtuck004 May 2014 #8
how many more must die for Putin's "New Russia" designs on Europe? uhnope May 2014 #5
"New Russia" actually refers to a portion of what is now Ukraine. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #13
xcept that Putin himself said. "“The question is to ensure the rights and interests of the Russian s LanternWaste May 2014 #14
Todays generation of Russian's mainly use the term go west young man May 2014 #15
Novorossiya Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #17
What you post is for yourself....and Americans who have a Cold War mentality and go west young man May 2014 #20
That's not the New Russia we're talking about here. Putin wasn't talking about it either. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #21
Thanks for telling me how it is.... go west young man May 2014 #38
That's the Putin quote. Just the proper context of "Novorossiya"/"New Russia" here. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #44
Ah, just continue to let him continue to be ignorant davidpdx May 2014 #42
Great videos! ballyhoo May 2014 #19
FYI: RBTH is the Kremlin. moondust May 2014 #36
Yes it is.... go west young man May 2014 #39
So "Americans who have a Cold War mentality and moondust May 2014 #40
If I had a dollar for every DU'er who labeled me as Russian go west young man May 2014 #41
If we had a dollar for every time a DU'er was labeled as "Americans who have a Cold War mentality pampango May 2014 #43
And it was Ukraine before it was controlled by the Russians. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #16
Can you be a bit more open about your JackRiddler May 2014 #31
Kiev was Russian before Moscow was founded independentpiney May 2014 #32
It was Rusian. Igel May 2014 #34
I stand corrected Rusian nt independentpiney May 2014 #35
The way borders have changed over the centuries in Europe and Asia pampango May 2014 #33
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