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In reply to the discussion: Vladimir Putin says there was nothing wrong with Soviet Union's pact with Adolf Hitler's Nazi German [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(105,019 posts)23. The pact had a secret protocol dividing Poland and other countries
Secret Additional Protocol.
Article I. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement in the areas belonging to the Baltic States (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), the northern boundary of Lithuania shall represent the boundary of the spheres of influence of Germany and U.S.S.R. In this connection the interest of Lithuania in the Vilna area is recognized by each party.
Article II. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish state, the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narev, Vistula and San.
The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish States and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments.
In any event both Governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly agreement.
Article III. With regard to Southeastern Europe attention is called by the Soviet side to its interest in Bessarabia. The German side declares its complete political disinteredness in these areas.
Article IV. This protocol shall be treated by both parties as strictly secret.
Moscow, August 23, 1939.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1939pact.html
Article I. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement in the areas belonging to the Baltic States (Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), the northern boundary of Lithuania shall represent the boundary of the spheres of influence of Germany and U.S.S.R. In this connection the interest of Lithuania in the Vilna area is recognized by each party.
Article II. In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish state, the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narev, Vistula and San.
The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish States and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments.
In any event both Governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly agreement.
Article III. With regard to Southeastern Europe attention is called by the Soviet side to its interest in Bessarabia. The German side declares its complete political disinteredness in these areas.
Article IV. This protocol shall be treated by both parties as strictly secret.
Moscow, August 23, 1939.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1939pact.html
That's why it's not just a 'peace treaty', and why Putin, when he was trying to be nice to the Poles, called it 'immoral':
"Without any doubt, it is possible to condemn - and with good reason - the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact concluded in August 1939," he wrote, referring to the two ministers who signed the pact.
"In our country, the immoral character of the pact was given an unequivocal evaluation by our parliament," he added - in apparent reference to a 1989 condemnation of the pact.
http://news.sky.com/story/720135/putin-moves-to-calm-poland-wwii-tensions
"In our country, the immoral character of the pact was given an unequivocal evaluation by our parliament," he added - in apparent reference to a 1989 condemnation of the pact.
http://news.sky.com/story/720135/putin-moves-to-calm-poland-wwii-tensions
Yes, the Soviet Union was on the side of the Nazis from September 1939 until the Nazis turned on them. They divided up Poland between them.
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Vladimir Putin says there was nothing wrong with Soviet Union's pact with Adolf Hitler's Nazi German [View all]
uhnope
Nov 2014
OP
DU Putinistas arriving to defend Comrade Major Putin in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... n/t
ColesCountyDem
Nov 2014
#3
Is he actively trying to drive eastern Europe more fully into NATO's sphere of influence?
LanternWaste
Nov 2014
#5
The replies on this thread just show the lack of knowledge of history is vast here
newthinking
Nov 2014
#11
It's almost as if they think that had the USSR not inked the non-aggression pact, Hitler
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#14
It also allowed Stalin the time to build a huge army and many thousands of tanks...
bvar22
Nov 2014
#41
The pact had a secret protocol dividing Poland and other countries
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#23
ironically, one of the things McCarthyites went after people for was opposing Hitler TOO SOON
yurbud
Nov 2014
#17
the only solution to this terrible admission is to make Russia a super-sized Somalia
yurbud
Nov 2014
#18
There are some problems with your thread, but it is more accurate the the rest of this thread
happyslug
Nov 2014
#58
No, Stalin used the pact with Hitler to take Bessarabia and occupy the Baltic states
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#80
There's a world of difference between "too good to pass up, because it allows land grabs"
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#94
Thank you. I laud your efforts at correcting me and doing it so civilly.
watrwefitinfor
Nov 2014
#82
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#50
some real fascists ----- Ukraine’s 'Right Sector' Leader Recognized as Elected Member of Parliament
NordicLeft
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#54
So,the BBC, The New Republic, Foreign Policy, Counterpunch, Salon, Intl. Business Times are Russian?
NordicLeft
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#62
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Nov 2014
#63
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NordicLeft
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#65
Tom Parfitt (the author of the Telegraph OP) is a well-known rightwing pro NATO/US/UK hack
NordicLeft
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#70
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newthinking
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#69
No, that's not what I was saying; I was replying to your incorrect claim that EU fascism and Putin
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#104
Well, I'm glad to see the US has run out of problems so we can refight the Cold War.
Starry Messenger
Nov 2014
#35
Does that mean you're not going to comment on DU about anything outside the US
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#42
If you think a government has the right/duty to pursue its national interest to the exclusion
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#91
That's why we gave so many Nazis jobs and citizenship, and the fascism is present in US.
bobthedrummer
Nov 2014
#97
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Nye Bevan
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#107
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Nov 2014
#109