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47. My understanding was that

Thu Nov 6, 2014, 08:15 PM

Nov 2014

the Soviet Union, Britain, France and the U.S. were all pretty much in the same predicament in the late 1930's -- they hadn't had a chance to rebuild their military after WWI. The world was in a Depression and the funds were needed in other places. People denigrate Neville Chamberlain for "appeasing" the Nazi's when, in fact, he was just buying time. Stalin was in the same predicament with one BIG caveat, Stalin purged (as in killed) his war-experienced generals right before the outbreak of WWII because he was paranoid of a military coup. That left him with virtually leaderless armies. It's why they were slaughtered so massively by the Germans. The Soviet Union blames the Europeans, the Americans, the Germans for their great loss of life in WWII (10 to 20 million Russians, not counting the purges which was good for another 20 million) when the fault was a) lack of arms to fight another WW so soon and b) Stalin.

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Vladimir Putin says there was nothing wrong with Soviet Union's pact with Adolf Hitler's Nazi German [View all] uhnope Nov 2014 OP

Awwww. But, ya know, he's just MISUNDERSTOOD, poor Vladdie! MADem Nov 2014 #1

You left out Nuland's cookies. But I never forget them. YUM! freshwest Nov 2014 #32

Delish!!!!! Ha ha! nt MADem Nov 2014 #43

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True Old Nick Nov 2014 #19

It takes one to see one. graegoyle Nov 2014 #25

I hope this gets some of the Putin fans to rethink his "brilliance" karynnj Nov 2014 #7

That's complete bullshit Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2014 #8

The Onion had it right: christx30 Nov 2014 #22

The Nazi-Britain Non-Aggression Pact TomVilmer Nov 2014 #49

except Germany and Russia took territory with their pact nt arely staircase Nov 2014 #110

Do any of Putin's defenders still want to say he is not an imperialist? Jack Rabbit Nov 2014 #9

... and don't forget a Theocrat BadtotheboneBob Nov 2014 #44

No, we mustn't forget that, either Jack Rabbit Nov 2014 #45

Putin is a Fascist POS, not surprised. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #10

yep PatrynXX Nov 2014 #12

The replies on this thread just show the lack of knowledge of history is vast here newthinking Nov 2014 #11

Well yes thats also true. PatrynXX Nov 2014 #13

agreed. newthinking Nov 2014 #53

It's almost as if they think that had the USSR not inked the non-aggression pact, Hitler KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #14

It also allowed Stalin the time to build a huge army and many thousands of tanks... bvar22 Nov 2014 #41

...^ that 840high Nov 2014 #51

But did Stalin know that Hitler would be stupid enough Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #74

Who sent Stalin the tanks? davidpdx Nov 2014 #90

The pact had a secret protocol dividing Poland and other countries muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #23

The only one embarrassing themself here is you by trying, and failing, GGJohn Nov 2014 #27

Who is "excusing putin"? More like what was the purpose of the article? newthinking Nov 2014 #55

Creative, though unsupported, allegations you've presented us with. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #100

the Chamberlain paragraph is the crucial context yurbud Nov 2014 #15

The pact was hushed up in Soviet times. Igel Nov 2014 #34

ironically, one of the things McCarthyites went after people for was opposing Hitler TOO SOON yurbud Nov 2014 #17

the only solution to this terrible admission is to make Russia a super-sized Somalia yurbud Nov 2014 #18

Will somebody put a plug in this asswipe? GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #20

Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Putin the very "Bolshevist" that Hitler hated? muntrv Nov 2014 #21

Shhhhhhh. You're not supposed to mention that. watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #46

Recommend Read..... KoKo Nov 2014 #57

My recommend read: "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #83

There are some problems with your thread, but it is more accurate the the rest of this thread happyslug Nov 2014 #58

No, Stalin used the pact with Hitler to take Bessarabia and occupy the Baltic states muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #80

I was discussing the Soviet-Western allies talks happyslug Nov 2014 #93

There's a world of difference between "too good to pass up, because it allows land grabs" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #94

Stalin did NOT start WWII, he did attack Poland, he did NOT attack Romania happyslug Nov 2014 #101

Katyn. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #103

We are discussing the Russian German treaty happyslug Nov 2014 #105

"to extend the power of the USSR" - that's alright with you? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #106

Thank you. I laud your efforts at correcting me and doing it so civilly. watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #82

Don't feel that way. It is a very nasty minority. newthinking Nov 2014 #59

Yes, the era of Big Propaganda is upon us. watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #84

Senator Prescott Bush (R-CT) also had dealings with Nazi financiers. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #24

Wow! Just Wow! nt Javaman Nov 2014 #26

But but but Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #28

And don't forget her fascist cookies. GGJohn Nov 2014 #30

Well she is the wife of the founder of PNAC. Ever heard of it? newthinking Nov 2014 #64

Seducing the populace with rainbow cookies. Gratuitous image: freshwest Nov 2014 #31

In Russia, Putin would have those cookies arrested and tortured GGJohn Nov 2014 #33

No, he would have gangs of thugs beat down those cookies in brutal fashion, and then claim he MADem Nov 2014 #50

OMG. Now. I. Must. Have. Some. Cookies! freshwest Nov 2014 #77

some real fascists ----- Ukraine’s 'Right Sector' Leader Recognized as Elected Member of Parliament NordicLeft Nov 2014 #54

Using a Russian website to make your point Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #56

So,the BBC, The New Republic, Foreign Policy, Counterpunch, Salon, Intl. Business Times are Russian? NordicLeft Nov 2014 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author NordicLeft Nov 2014 #60

This is his publicity video - seriously... it really was made by and for him as head newthinking Nov 2014 #63

Fascism is on the march across the EU, and its certainly not springing from Putin NordicLeft Nov 2014 #65

Yes that poor Putin is misunderstood right? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #68

Tom Parfitt (the author of the Telegraph OP) is a well-known rightwing pro NATO/US/UK hack NordicLeft Nov 2014 #70

I was bested by you? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #72

People here have not yet figured out that the Republicans have been working on world domination for newthinking Nov 2014 #69

Okay Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #73

Be ignorant if you wish newthinking Nov 2014 #78

European fascists support Putin muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #81

you are saying Svoboda and Right Sector support Putin??? NordicLeft Nov 2014 #102

No, that's not what I was saying; I was replying to your incorrect claim that EU fascism and Putin muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #104

Keep shining bright lights on this. nilesobek Nov 2014 #75

I'm sure he likes the "secret protocol" best of all .... tabasco Nov 2014 #29

Well, I'm glad to see the US has run out of problems so we can refight the Cold War. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #35

yeah because everything is always the fault of the US, right uhnope Nov 2014 #36

That had zero to do with what I posted. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #37

then please elaborate on your subtle yet expansive point uhnope Nov 2014 #38

No, thanks. It was pretty obvious. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #39

thanks uhnope Nov 2014 #40

Does that mean you're not going to comment on DU about anything outside the US muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #42

The Soviet Union still exists? News to me. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #66

It will again if Vlad gets his way. 7962 Nov 2014 #67

Not really. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #71

That's a remarkable non sequitur muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #79

I beg your humble pardon. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #85

I agree the right wing is a problem, and that includes Putin muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #86

The American right-wing hates him and thinks he's a crypto-commie. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #87

You wanted this story to disappear muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #88

Oh, ok. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #89

Wrong. FOX News loves him. Try all you want, you can't pretend that... uhnope Nov 2014 #99

My understanding was that Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #47

Yes. bemildred Nov 2014 #61

Nothing wrong with the pact except it bit them in the ass. Hoppy Nov 2014 #48

Oh it is so easy to forget the lessons of history. gordianot Nov 2014 #76

If you think a government has the right/duty to pursue its national interest to the exclusion pampango Nov 2014 #91

Sure. It bought time (which was misspent), and... malthaussen Nov 2014 #92

That space should have been decisive, but was not.... happyslug Nov 2014 #95

Depends on whom you believe. malthaussen Nov 2014 #96

That's why we gave so many Nazis jobs and citizenship, and the fascism is present in US. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #97

I hope the simple truth isn't a threadkiller... bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #98

If Western historians have really been trying to "hush up" the Munich Agreement, Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #107

not often you get to hear the Molotov Ribbentop pact spoken of so glowingly. nt arely staircase Nov 2014 #109

The big mistake on Hitler was made in 1936. roamer65 Nov 2014 #111