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caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
14. There's some evidence it's true.
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 03:16 AM
Apr 2012
During World War II, research conducted by US Army Brigadier General S.L.A. Marshall found that, on average, only 15% to 20% of American riflemen in WWII combat fired at the enemy.[35] In Civil War Collector’s Encyclopedia, F.A. Lord notes that of the 27,574 discarded muskets found on the Gettysburg battlefield, nearly 90% were loaded, with 12,000 loaded more than once and 6,000 loaded 3 to 10 times. These studies suggest that most soldiers resist firing their weapons in combat, that- as some theorists argue- human beings have an inherent resistance to killing their fellow human beings.[35] Swank and Marchand’s WWII study found that after sixty days of continuous combat, 98% of all surviving soldiers will become psychiatric casualties. Psychiatric casualties manifest themselves in fatigue cases, confusional states, conversion hysteria, anxiety, obsessional and compulsive states, and character disorders.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War

Yeah, it's from Wikipedia. Not a great source.

Here's a counterargument. http://www.journal.dnd.ca/vo9/no2/16-engen-eng.asp

And then you have this:

US forces have fired so many bullets in Iraq and Afghanistan - an estimated 250,000 for every insurgent killed - that American ammunition-makers cannot keep up with demand. As a result the US is having to import supplies from Israel.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050925-israel-bullets.htm

How do you get soldiers to shoot straight? Dehumanize the enemy. It help if he covers his face, such as a blindfold in a firing squad, but you can also use racial epithets. In WWII, the Japanese were "Japs" or "Nips."

A lot of that might be from the use of suppression fire, still 250,000 for each insurgent killed sounds like lots of shots used to scare. But we've known about the reluctance to kill for a long time. Firing squads not only blindfold the condemned, they put in one blank round at random so the squad members can have some doubt whether they killed the prisoner.

Then there's the effects after killing:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0LIY/is_11_90/ai_106763554/

One would think if it has so many lasting effects, the resistance to doing it is normally quite strong.

All I'm saying here, there is some evidence that police putting on riot helmets obscuring their faces, becoming impersonal and separating themselves from the public actually makes them more of a target, not less.

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Law of unintended consequences.... peacebird Apr 2012 #1
That's what happens when criminals are released from prison too soon. nt Remmah2 Apr 2012 #21
Another facet to this is the militarization of police departments. jtuck004 Apr 2012 #2
You are correct (n/t) Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #3
it's harder to shoot someone when you know their name? Skittles Apr 2012 #4
Well, I am FUCKING talking about the connection to people that some have. jtuck004 Apr 2012 #6
please Skittles Apr 2012 #9
There's some evidence it's true. caseymoz Apr 2012 #14
Yes, yes yes duhneece Apr 2012 #20
Don't forget those who give the orders. caseymoz Apr 2012 #28
bunch of gobbledegook pasto76 Apr 2012 #7
CORRECT Skittles Apr 2012 #10
Must have learned to like sand, given that the above opinions sound like jtuck004 Apr 2012 #12
Baloney. Police respond to peaceful protests with chemicals weapons EFerrari Apr 2012 #13
Militarized BeGoodDoGood Apr 2012 #19
How do you picture a SWAT team? nt Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #25
So unless they act EXACTLY like your unit in Iraq, they're not militarized? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2012 #27
"Police officer" is just a label. ZombieHorde Apr 2012 #5
Maybe if the police don't go all George Zimmermann usrname Apr 2012 #8
Frankly, I would love to understand the circumstances behind each of these deaths MrScorpio Apr 2012 #11
As violent crime has decreased across the country? Really? fasttense Apr 2012 #15
Can you show how Bush changed crime stats? hack89 Apr 2012 #16
Yes BeGoodDoGood Apr 2012 #18
Simple leftynyc Apr 2012 #17
Looking back a little farther, that number doesn't show any obvious trend slackmaster Apr 2012 #22
Four Officers Wounded in Shootout Remmah2 Apr 2012 #23
It would be gross understatement to say that they're asking for it... saras Apr 2012 #24
"The War on Drugs has killed more police officers than anything else." - retired Chicago Cop ieoeja Apr 2012 #26
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