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muriel_volestrangler

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81. European fascists support Putin
Fri Nov 7, 2014, 05:58 AM
Nov 2014
In Hungary, for example, Putin has taken the Jobbik party under his wing. The third-largest party in the country, Jobbik has supporters who dress in Nazi-type uniforms, spout anti-Semitic rhetoric, and express concern about Israeli “colonization” of Hungary. The party has capitalized on rising support for nationalist economic policies, which are seen as an antidote for unpopular austerity policies and for Hungary’s economic liberalization in recent years. Russia is bent on tapping into that sentiment. In May 2013, Kremlin-connected right-wing Russian nationalists at the prestigious Moscow State University invited Jobbik party president Gabor Vona to speak. Vona also met with Russia Duma leaders including Ivan Grachev, chairman of the State Duma Committee for Energy and Vasily Tarasyuk, deputy chairman of the Committee on Natural Resources and Utilization, among others. On the Jobbik website, the visit is characterized as “a major breakthrough” which made “clear that Russian leaders consider Jobbik as a partner.” In fact, there have been persistent rumors that Jobbik’s enthusiasm is paid for with Russian rubles. The party has also repeatedly criticized Hungary’s “Euro-Atlantic connections” and the European Union. And, more recently, it called the referendum in Crimea “exemplary,” a dangerous word in a country with extensive co-ethnic populations in Romania and Slovakia. It seems that the party sees Putin’s new ethnic politics as being aligned with its own revisionist nationalism.

The Kremlin’s ties to France’s extreme-right National Front have also been growing stronger. Marine Le Pen, the party leader, visited Moscow in June 2013 at the invitation of State Duma leader Sergei Naryshkin, a close associate of Putin’s. She also met with Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin and discussed issues of common concern, such as Syria, EU enlargement, and gay marriage. France’s ProRussia TV, which is funded by the Kremlin, is staffed by editors with close ties to the National Front who use the station to espouse views close to National Front’s own perspective on domestic and international politics. The National Front wishes to replace the EU and NATO with a pan-European partnership of independent nations, which, incidentally, includes Russia and would be driven by a trilateral Paris-Berlin-Moscow alliance. Le Pen’s spokesman, Ludovic De Danne, recently recognized the results of the Crimea referendum and stated in an interview with Voice of Russia radio that, “historically, Crimea is part of Mother Russia.” In the same interview, he mentioned that he had visited Crimea several times in the past year. Marine Le Pen also visited Crimea in June 2013.

The list of parties goes on. Remember Golden Dawn, the Greek fascist party that won 18 seats in Greece’s parliament in 2012? Members use Nazi symbols at rallies, emphasize street fighting, and sing the Greek version of the Nazi Party anthem. The Greek government imprisoned Nikos Michaloliakos, its leader, and stripped parliamentary deputies of their political immunity before slapping them with charges of organized violence. But the party continues to take to the streets. Golden Dawn has never hidden its close connections to Russia’s extreme right, and is thought to receive funds from Russia. One Golden Dawn­­–linked website reports that Michaloliakos even received a letter in prison from Moscow State University professor and former Kremlin adviser Alexander Dugin, one of the authors of Putin’s “Eurasian” ideology. It was also Dugin who hosted Jobbik leader Vona when he visited Moscow. In his letter, Dugin expressed support for Golden Dawn’s geopolitical positions and requested to open a line of communication between Golden Dawn and his think tank in Moscow. Golden Dawn’s New York website reports that Michaloliakos “has spoken out clearly in favor of an alliance and cooperation with Russia, and away from the ‘naval forces’ of the ‘Atlantic.’”

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141067/mitchell-a-orenstein/putins-western-allies

So, yes, it really is springing from Putin.

Why have you linked to an article about Podemos? They are left wing:

A Metroscopia poll published in Spanish daily El Pais on Sunday shows leftwing party Podemos ahead of both the centre-right governing People’s Party (PP) and the main opposition socialists, the PSOE.

1. the party was only founded in January of this year, with the goal of translating Spain’s indignados protest movement into a more structured citizen-led political formation.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/nov/06/podemos-a-crisis-of-trust-and-the-rise-of-new-political-parties

If one wants to look for ideological points of reference for the team behind Podemos probably Gramsci and Subcomandante Marcos would be the logical place to start. But it is precisely an anti-ideological stance, a refusal to self-define in terms of political ideologies, typical of autonomous social movements and 15-M that has marked an important element of the effective Podemos strategy.

It is here that Podemos has distinguished itself from it’s closest political rival, leftist coalition formation Izquierda Unida (IU). If many of their positions are the same, the language and framing has been very different. To many, IU seems old, tired and stuck in the past, and has for quite some time. By contrast, Podemos has understood that if people are not willing to think in terms of anti-capitalism, they are very open to criticisms of fraudulent bankers and corrupt politicians.

Podemos has presented itself as a party of "decent ordinary people”, who understand the needs of ordinary citizens and are open to taking their lead from them through the participatory process (as opposed to positioning themselves as the intellectual vanguard). They want to go “beyond acronyms” (again a very typical stance of progressive autonomous social movements in Spain[1].)

Clearly the strategy has worked very well, and the capture of 1.25 million votes for a very young party is nothing short of remarkable. The political fallout has been immediate. PSOE leader Rubalcaba announced he will be stepping down and opening the process for the election of a new leader (many bets are on Susana Díaz, after her excellent results in Andalucía). IU is also going through a significant internal shakeup and period of self-reflection. And, of course, what everyone wants to know is who actually voted for Podemos.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/cristina-flesher-fominaya/%E2%80%9Cspain-is-different%E2%80%9D-podemos-and-15m

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Awwww. But, ya know, he's just MISUNDERSTOOD, poor Vladdie! MADem Nov 2014 #1
You left out Nuland's cookies. But I never forget them. YUM! freshwest Nov 2014 #32
Delish!!!!! Ha ha! nt MADem Nov 2014 #43
Putin jumped oceans of sharks with that comment steve2470 Nov 2014 #52
call in the RT cheeleader squad DonCoquixote Nov 2014 #2
The real problem is the neo-Nazi fascists in the US and the European Union Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #108
DU Putinistas arriving to defend Comrade Major Putin in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... n/t ColesCountyDem Nov 2014 #3
I dont think the Putin Fan Club will show on this one. 7962 Nov 2014 #4
Is he actively trying to drive eastern Europe more fully into NATO's sphere of influence? LanternWaste Nov 2014 #5
Shark officially Jumped Old Nick Nov 2014 #6
You can't see... 3catwoman3 Nov 2014 #16
True Old Nick Nov 2014 #19
It takes one to see one. graegoyle Nov 2014 #25
I hope this gets some of the Putin fans to rethink his "brilliance" karynnj Nov 2014 #7
That's complete bullshit Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2014 #8
The Onion had it right: christx30 Nov 2014 #22
The Nazi-Britain Non-Aggression Pact TomVilmer Nov 2014 #49
except Germany and Russia took territory with their pact nt arely staircase Nov 2014 #110
Do any of Putin's defenders still want to say he is not an imperialist? Jack Rabbit Nov 2014 #9
... and don't forget a Theocrat BadtotheboneBob Nov 2014 #44
No, we mustn't forget that, either Jack Rabbit Nov 2014 #45
Putin is a Fascist POS, not surprised. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #10
yep PatrynXX Nov 2014 #12
The replies on this thread just show the lack of knowledge of history is vast here newthinking Nov 2014 #11
Well yes thats also true. PatrynXX Nov 2014 #13
agreed. newthinking Nov 2014 #53
It's almost as if they think that had the USSR not inked the non-aggression pact, Hitler KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #14
It also allowed Stalin the time to build a huge army and many thousands of tanks... bvar22 Nov 2014 #41
...^ that 840high Nov 2014 #51
But did Stalin know that Hitler would be stupid enough Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #74
Who sent Stalin the tanks? davidpdx Nov 2014 #90
The pact had a secret protocol dividing Poland and other countries muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #23
The only one embarrassing themself here is you by trying, and failing, GGJohn Nov 2014 #27
Who is "excusing putin"? More like what was the purpose of the article? newthinking Nov 2014 #55
Creative, though unsupported, allegations you've presented us with. LanternWaste Nov 2014 #100
the Chamberlain paragraph is the crucial context yurbud Nov 2014 #15
The pact was hushed up in Soviet times. Igel Nov 2014 #34
ironically, one of the things McCarthyites went after people for was opposing Hitler TOO SOON yurbud Nov 2014 #17
the only solution to this terrible admission is to make Russia a super-sized Somalia yurbud Nov 2014 #18
Will somebody put a plug in this asswipe? GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #20
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Putin the very "Bolshevist" that Hitler hated? muntrv Nov 2014 #21
Shhhhhhh. You're not supposed to mention that. watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #46
Recommend Read..... KoKo Nov 2014 #57
My recommend read: "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #83
There are some problems with your thread, but it is more accurate the the rest of this thread happyslug Nov 2014 #58
No, Stalin used the pact with Hitler to take Bessarabia and occupy the Baltic states muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #80
I was discussing the Soviet-Western allies talks happyslug Nov 2014 #93
There's a world of difference between "too good to pass up, because it allows land grabs" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #94
Stalin did NOT start WWII, he did attack Poland, he did NOT attack Romania happyslug Nov 2014 #101
Katyn. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #103
We are discussing the Russian German treaty happyslug Nov 2014 #105
"to extend the power of the USSR" - that's alright with you? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #106
Thank you. I laud your efforts at correcting me and doing it so civilly. watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #82
Don't feel that way. It is a very nasty minority. newthinking Nov 2014 #59
Yes, the era of Big Propaganda is upon us. watrwefitinfor Nov 2014 #84
Senator Prescott Bush (R-CT) also had dealings with Nazi financiers. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #24
Wow! Just Wow! nt Javaman Nov 2014 #26
But but but Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #28
And don't forget her fascist cookies. GGJohn Nov 2014 #30
Well she is the wife of the founder of PNAC. Ever heard of it? newthinking Nov 2014 #64
Seducing the populace with rainbow cookies. Gratuitous image: freshwest Nov 2014 #31
In Russia, Putin would have those cookies arrested and tortured GGJohn Nov 2014 #33
No, he would have gangs of thugs beat down those cookies in brutal fashion, and then claim he MADem Nov 2014 #50
OMG. Now. I. Must. Have. Some. Cookies! freshwest Nov 2014 #77
some real fascists ----- Ukraine’s 'Right Sector' Leader Recognized as Elected Member of Parliament NordicLeft Nov 2014 #54
Using a Russian website to make your point Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #56
So,the BBC, The New Republic, Foreign Policy, Counterpunch, Salon, Intl. Business Times are Russian? NordicLeft Nov 2014 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author NordicLeft Nov 2014 #60
This is his publicity video - seriously... it really was made by and for him as head newthinking Nov 2014 #63
Fascism is on the march across the EU, and its certainly not springing from Putin NordicLeft Nov 2014 #65
Yes that poor Putin is misunderstood right? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #68
Tom Parfitt (the author of the Telegraph OP) is a well-known rightwing pro NATO/US/UK hack NordicLeft Nov 2014 #70
I was bested by you? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #72
People here have not yet figured out that the Republicans have been working on world domination for newthinking Nov 2014 #69
Okay Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #73
Be ignorant if you wish newthinking Nov 2014 #78
European fascists support Putin muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #81
you are saying Svoboda and Right Sector support Putin??? NordicLeft Nov 2014 #102
No, that's not what I was saying; I was replying to your incorrect claim that EU fascism and Putin muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #104
Keep shining bright lights on this. nilesobek Nov 2014 #75
I'm sure he likes the "secret protocol" best of all .... tabasco Nov 2014 #29
Well, I'm glad to see the US has run out of problems so we can refight the Cold War. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #35
yeah because everything is always the fault of the US, right uhnope Nov 2014 #36
That had zero to do with what I posted. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #37
then please elaborate on your subtle yet expansive point uhnope Nov 2014 #38
No, thanks. It was pretty obvious. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #39
thanks uhnope Nov 2014 #40
Does that mean you're not going to comment on DU about anything outside the US muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #42
The Soviet Union still exists? News to me. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #66
It will again if Vlad gets his way. 7962 Nov 2014 #67
Not really. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #71
That's a remarkable non sequitur muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #79
I beg your humble pardon. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #85
I agree the right wing is a problem, and that includes Putin muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #86
The American right-wing hates him and thinks he's a crypto-commie. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #87
You wanted this story to disappear muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #88
Oh, ok. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #89
Wrong. FOX News loves him. Try all you want, you can't pretend that... uhnope Nov 2014 #99
My understanding was that Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #47
Yes. bemildred Nov 2014 #61
Nothing wrong with the pact except it bit them in the ass. Hoppy Nov 2014 #48
Oh it is so easy to forget the lessons of history. gordianot Nov 2014 #76
If you think a government has the right/duty to pursue its national interest to the exclusion pampango Nov 2014 #91
Sure. It bought time (which was misspent), and... malthaussen Nov 2014 #92
That space should have been decisive, but was not.... happyslug Nov 2014 #95
Depends on whom you believe. malthaussen Nov 2014 #96
That's why we gave so many Nazis jobs and citizenship, and the fascism is present in US. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #97
I hope the simple truth isn't a threadkiller... bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #98
If Western historians have really been trying to "hush up" the Munich Agreement, Nye Bevan Nov 2014 #107
not often you get to hear the Molotov Ribbentop pact spoken of so glowingly. nt arely staircase Nov 2014 #109
The big mistake on Hitler was made in 1936. roamer65 Nov 2014 #111
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