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In reply to the discussion: Vladimir Putin says there was nothing wrong with Soviet Union's pact with Adolf Hitler's Nazi German [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(104,125 posts)81. European fascists support Putin
In Hungary, for example, Putin has taken the Jobbik party under his wing. The third-largest party in the country, Jobbik has supporters who dress in Nazi-type uniforms, spout anti-Semitic rhetoric, and express concern about Israeli colonization of Hungary. The party has capitalized on rising support for nationalist economic policies, which are seen as an antidote for unpopular austerity policies and for Hungarys economic liberalization in recent years. Russia is bent on tapping into that sentiment. In May 2013, Kremlin-connected right-wing Russian nationalists at the prestigious Moscow State University invited Jobbik party president Gabor Vona to speak. Vona also met with Russia Duma leaders including Ivan Grachev, chairman of the State Duma Committee for Energy and Vasily Tarasyuk, deputy chairman of the Committee on Natural Resources and Utilization, among others. On the Jobbik website, the visit is characterized as a major breakthrough which made clear that Russian leaders consider Jobbik as a partner. In fact, there have been persistent rumors that Jobbiks enthusiasm is paid for with Russian rubles. The party has also repeatedly criticized Hungarys Euro-Atlantic connections and the European Union. And, more recently, it called the referendum in Crimea exemplary, a dangerous word in a country with extensive co-ethnic populations in Romania and Slovakia. It seems that the party sees Putins new ethnic politics as being aligned with its own revisionist nationalism.
The Kremlins ties to Frances extreme-right National Front have also been growing stronger. Marine Le Pen, the party leader, visited Moscow in June 2013 at the invitation of State Duma leader Sergei Naryshkin, a close associate of Putins. She also met with Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin and discussed issues of common concern, such as Syria, EU enlargement, and gay marriage. Frances ProRussia TV, which is funded by the Kremlin, is staffed by editors with close ties to the National Front who use the station to espouse views close to National Fronts own perspective on domestic and international politics. The National Front wishes to replace the EU and NATO with a pan-European partnership of independent nations, which, incidentally, includes Russia and would be driven by a trilateral Paris-Berlin-Moscow alliance. Le Pens spokesman, Ludovic De Danne, recently recognized the results of the Crimea referendum and stated in an interview with Voice of Russia radio that, historically, Crimea is part of Mother Russia. In the same interview, he mentioned that he had visited Crimea several times in the past year. Marine Le Pen also visited Crimea in June 2013.
The list of parties goes on. Remember Golden Dawn, the Greek fascist party that won 18 seats in Greeces parliament in 2012? Members use Nazi symbols at rallies, emphasize street fighting, and sing the Greek version of the Nazi Party anthem. The Greek government imprisoned Nikos Michaloliakos, its leader, and stripped parliamentary deputies of their political immunity before slapping them with charges of organized violence. But the party continues to take to the streets. Golden Dawn has never hidden its close connections to Russias extreme right, and is thought to receive funds from Russia. One Golden Dawnlinked website reports that Michaloliakos even received a letter in prison from Moscow State University professor and former Kremlin adviser Alexander Dugin, one of the authors of Putins Eurasian ideology. It was also Dugin who hosted Jobbik leader Vona when he visited Moscow. In his letter, Dugin expressed support for Golden Dawns geopolitical positions and requested to open a line of communication between Golden Dawn and his think tank in Moscow. Golden Dawns New York website reports that Michaloliakos has spoken out clearly in favor of an alliance and cooperation with Russia, and away from the naval forces of the Atlantic.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141067/mitchell-a-orenstein/putins-western-allies
The Kremlins ties to Frances extreme-right National Front have also been growing stronger. Marine Le Pen, the party leader, visited Moscow in June 2013 at the invitation of State Duma leader Sergei Naryshkin, a close associate of Putins. She also met with Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin and discussed issues of common concern, such as Syria, EU enlargement, and gay marriage. Frances ProRussia TV, which is funded by the Kremlin, is staffed by editors with close ties to the National Front who use the station to espouse views close to National Fronts own perspective on domestic and international politics. The National Front wishes to replace the EU and NATO with a pan-European partnership of independent nations, which, incidentally, includes Russia and would be driven by a trilateral Paris-Berlin-Moscow alliance. Le Pens spokesman, Ludovic De Danne, recently recognized the results of the Crimea referendum and stated in an interview with Voice of Russia radio that, historically, Crimea is part of Mother Russia. In the same interview, he mentioned that he had visited Crimea several times in the past year. Marine Le Pen also visited Crimea in June 2013.
The list of parties goes on. Remember Golden Dawn, the Greek fascist party that won 18 seats in Greeces parliament in 2012? Members use Nazi symbols at rallies, emphasize street fighting, and sing the Greek version of the Nazi Party anthem. The Greek government imprisoned Nikos Michaloliakos, its leader, and stripped parliamentary deputies of their political immunity before slapping them with charges of organized violence. But the party continues to take to the streets. Golden Dawn has never hidden its close connections to Russias extreme right, and is thought to receive funds from Russia. One Golden Dawnlinked website reports that Michaloliakos even received a letter in prison from Moscow State University professor and former Kremlin adviser Alexander Dugin, one of the authors of Putins Eurasian ideology. It was also Dugin who hosted Jobbik leader Vona when he visited Moscow. In his letter, Dugin expressed support for Golden Dawns geopolitical positions and requested to open a line of communication between Golden Dawn and his think tank in Moscow. Golden Dawns New York website reports that Michaloliakos has spoken out clearly in favor of an alliance and cooperation with Russia, and away from the naval forces of the Atlantic.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141067/mitchell-a-orenstein/putins-western-allies
So, yes, it really is springing from Putin.
Why have you linked to an article about Podemos? They are left wing:
A Metroscopia poll published in Spanish daily El Pais on Sunday shows leftwing party Podemos ahead of both the centre-right governing Peoples Party (PP) and the main opposition socialists, the PSOE.
1. the party was only founded in January of this year, with the goal of translating Spains indignados protest movement into a more structured citizen-led political formation.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/nov/06/podemos-a-crisis-of-trust-and-the-rise-of-new-political-parties
1. the party was only founded in January of this year, with the goal of translating Spains indignados protest movement into a more structured citizen-led political formation.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/nov/06/podemos-a-crisis-of-trust-and-the-rise-of-new-political-parties
If one wants to look for ideological points of reference for the team behind Podemos probably Gramsci and Subcomandante Marcos would be the logical place to start. But it is precisely an anti-ideological stance, a refusal to self-define in terms of political ideologies, typical of autonomous social movements and 15-M that has marked an important element of the effective Podemos strategy.
It is here that Podemos has distinguished itself from its closest political rival, leftist coalition formation Izquierda Unida (IU). If many of their positions are the same, the language and framing has been very different. To many, IU seems old, tired and stuck in the past, and has for quite some time. By contrast, Podemos has understood that if people are not willing to think in terms of anti-capitalism, they are very open to criticisms of fraudulent bankers and corrupt politicians.
Podemos has presented itself as a party of "decent ordinary people, who understand the needs of ordinary citizens and are open to taking their lead from them through the participatory process (as opposed to positioning themselves as the intellectual vanguard). They want to go beyond acronyms (again a very typical stance of progressive autonomous social movements in Spain[1].)
Clearly the strategy has worked very well, and the capture of 1.25 million votes for a very young party is nothing short of remarkable. The political fallout has been immediate. PSOE leader Rubalcaba announced he will be stepping down and opening the process for the election of a new leader (many bets are on Susana Díaz, after her excellent results in Andalucía). IU is also going through a significant internal shakeup and period of self-reflection. And, of course, what everyone wants to know is who actually voted for Podemos.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/cristina-flesher-fominaya/%E2%80%9Cspain-is-different%E2%80%9D-podemos-and-15m
It is here that Podemos has distinguished itself from its closest political rival, leftist coalition formation Izquierda Unida (IU). If many of their positions are the same, the language and framing has been very different. To many, IU seems old, tired and stuck in the past, and has for quite some time. By contrast, Podemos has understood that if people are not willing to think in terms of anti-capitalism, they are very open to criticisms of fraudulent bankers and corrupt politicians.
Podemos has presented itself as a party of "decent ordinary people, who understand the needs of ordinary citizens and are open to taking their lead from them through the participatory process (as opposed to positioning themselves as the intellectual vanguard). They want to go beyond acronyms (again a very typical stance of progressive autonomous social movements in Spain[1].)
Clearly the strategy has worked very well, and the capture of 1.25 million votes for a very young party is nothing short of remarkable. The political fallout has been immediate. PSOE leader Rubalcaba announced he will be stepping down and opening the process for the election of a new leader (many bets are on Susana Díaz, after her excellent results in Andalucía). IU is also going through a significant internal shakeup and period of self-reflection. And, of course, what everyone wants to know is who actually voted for Podemos.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/cristina-flesher-fominaya/%E2%80%9Cspain-is-different%E2%80%9D-podemos-and-15m
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Vladimir Putin says there was nothing wrong with Soviet Union's pact with Adolf Hitler's Nazi German [View all]
uhnope
Nov 2014
OP
DU Putinistas arriving to defend Comrade Major Putin in 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... n/t
ColesCountyDem
Nov 2014
#3
Is he actively trying to drive eastern Europe more fully into NATO's sphere of influence?
LanternWaste
Nov 2014
#5
The replies on this thread just show the lack of knowledge of history is vast here
newthinking
Nov 2014
#11
It's almost as if they think that had the USSR not inked the non-aggression pact, Hitler
KingCharlemagne
Nov 2014
#14
It also allowed Stalin the time to build a huge army and many thousands of tanks...
bvar22
Nov 2014
#41
The pact had a secret protocol dividing Poland and other countries
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#23
ironically, one of the things McCarthyites went after people for was opposing Hitler TOO SOON
yurbud
Nov 2014
#17
the only solution to this terrible admission is to make Russia a super-sized Somalia
yurbud
Nov 2014
#18
There are some problems with your thread, but it is more accurate the the rest of this thread
happyslug
Nov 2014
#58
No, Stalin used the pact with Hitler to take Bessarabia and occupy the Baltic states
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#80
There's a world of difference between "too good to pass up, because it allows land grabs"
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#94
Thank you. I laud your efforts at correcting me and doing it so civilly.
watrwefitinfor
Nov 2014
#82
No, he would have gangs of thugs beat down those cookies in brutal fashion, and then claim he
MADem
Nov 2014
#50
some real fascists ----- Ukraine’s 'Right Sector' Leader Recognized as Elected Member of Parliament
NordicLeft
Nov 2014
#54
So,the BBC, The New Republic, Foreign Policy, Counterpunch, Salon, Intl. Business Times are Russian?
NordicLeft
Nov 2014
#62
This is his publicity video - seriously... it really was made by and for him as head
newthinking
Nov 2014
#63
Fascism is on the march across the EU, and its certainly not springing from Putin
NordicLeft
Nov 2014
#65
Tom Parfitt (the author of the Telegraph OP) is a well-known rightwing pro NATO/US/UK hack
NordicLeft
Nov 2014
#70
People here have not yet figured out that the Republicans have been working on world domination for
newthinking
Nov 2014
#69
No, that's not what I was saying; I was replying to your incorrect claim that EU fascism and Putin
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#104
Well, I'm glad to see the US has run out of problems so we can refight the Cold War.
Starry Messenger
Nov 2014
#35
Does that mean you're not going to comment on DU about anything outside the US
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2014
#42
If you think a government has the right/duty to pursue its national interest to the exclusion
pampango
Nov 2014
#91
That's why we gave so many Nazis jobs and citizenship, and the fascism is present in US.
bobthedrummer
Nov 2014
#97
If Western historians have really been trying to "hush up" the Munich Agreement,
Nye Bevan
Nov 2014
#107
not often you get to hear the Molotov Ribbentop pact spoken of so glowingly. nt
arely staircase
Nov 2014
#109